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Bipartisan Senate negotiators may release the bill text Monday of a deal struck earlier this month on gun-related legislation, after negotiations began to pick up steam in recent days, a source familiar confirmed to Fox News.

As senators worked on the text of a bill, talks had been stuck on the details of how to close the so-called "boyfriend loophole" and how to fund state implementation of "crisis intervention orders," also known as red flag laws.

NBC News first reported that a text could be released Monday, although talks that seemed to be gaining steam last week did not result in a bill before the weekend. Senators are hoping to have something passed before the July 4 recess. It's not clear they will be able to do so with just a handful of days left before they're set to leave town.

"I think we're in a better place in terms of… the grants to states that have crisis intervention programs," he said.

But Cornyn said that there was still some disagreement among senators on the boyfriend loophole issue. That loophole is a part of federal law that allows court-adjudicated domestic abusers to buy guns if they were not married to their partner.

Lawmakers want to broaden the definition of that law to make it so a broader category of domestic abusers can be excluded from having guns. As of last week they were still struggling to come up with a definition of this non-married category which would close the loophole but not sweep up other people accidentally.

 

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Clock is ticking on the Senate's gun deal: Negotiators stuck on two issues as recess looms
The text must be completed by Tuesday to stay on schedule for a vote this week.

A senior Democratic leadership aide told ABC that bipartisan negotiators must produce bill text by Tuesday, at the latest, to keep the upper chamber on track for a vote this week.
President Joe Biden, speaking to reporters in Rehoboth Beach, Delaware, on Monday, would not say whether he thought negotiators would have the legislative text finalized by later that day. But he expressed some optimism about the state of the talks.
That means after an agreement these 20 senators will have to write a bill that will pass the senate and then to the house.
I really hope this thing fails, but it might not.
 

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That means after an agreement these 20 senators will have to write a bill that will pass the senate and then to the house.
I really hope this thing fails, but it might not.
They'll probably pass something. Chip, chip, chip away. One little piece at a time if that's what it takes for them to reach their goal. I hope I'm wrong.
 

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They'll probably pass something. Chip, chip, chip away. One little piece at a time if that's what it takes for them to reach their goal. I hope I'm wrong.
Than maybe restrictions on 18 yrs old because that will easiest to attack in the courts. If it is extended background cks on 18 yrs old then AOC has promised to oppose it.
 

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Instead of focusing on this bogus boyfriend loophole, why don't they concentrate their efforts on dealing with the mentally ill, and their ability to easily obtain firearms.

In each of these mass shootings, mental illness is almost always the common denominator, yet the lawmakers always shy away from anything dealing with those who are mentally ill. I have no problems with someone with a diagnosed mental illness, like schizophrenia being denied purchase of firearms. Make it so their record shows up on the NICS check. And if they lie on the 4473 and it comes up they have mental health issues, then they should get denied instantly, and thrown in jail for lying on a govt form. HIPA privacy should not include those with known mental illness. The safety of society should take precedence in this case. And I'm not talking about somebody just saying Joe Schmoe is crazy. It's got to be a well documented history of mental issues. This way no red flag bullshit can be used to deny a person their rights. Anyone with a history of mental illness of say 5 years or more in duration, instant denial to purchase firearms. A one time incident where a person seeks treatment for depression, no, that should not be considered.

If I had my way, these life long mental cases would be in asylums where they belong, not mainstreamed where it isn't helping them one bit. We need to face reality, not everyone is sane, and those with known mental issues should not be allowed near firearms, much less purchase or own them. If these lawmakers would concentrate their efforts on mental illness, and leave the rest of us alone, then I'd have no problems supporting that.
 

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Instead of focusing on this bogus boyfriend loophole, why don't they concentrate their efforts on dealing with the mentally ill, and their ability to easily obtain firearms.

In each of these mass shootings, mental illness is almost always the common denominator, yet the lawmakers always shy away from anything dealing with those who are mentally ill. I have no problems with someone with a diagnosed mental illness, like schizophrenia being denied purchase of firearms. Make it so their record shows up on the NICS check. And if they lie on the 4473 and it comes up they have mental health issues, then they should get denied instantly, and thrown in jail for lying on a govt form. HIPA privacy should not include those with known mental illness. The safety of society should take precedence in this case. And I'm not talking about somebody just saying Joe Schmoe is crazy. It's got to be a well documented history of mental issues. This way no red flag bullshit can be used to deny a person their rights. Anyone with a history of mental illness of say 5 years or more in duration, instant denial to purchase firearms. A one time incident where a person seeks treatment for depression, no, that should not be considered.

If I had my way, these life long mental cases would be in asylums where they belong, not mainstreamed where it isn't helping them one bit. We need to face reality, not everyone is sane, and those with known mental issues should not be allowed near firearms, much less purchase or own them. If these lawmakers would concentrate their efforts on mental illness, and leave the rest of us alone, then I'd have no problems supporting that.
Well said.
 

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From what I read is that Sen Cornyn along with some other senators have given up on the Dems and walked out on them. The Dems refused to write down the framework about what they agreed to. So whatever they come up with is not what Sen Cornyn et al agreed to. Thus it would have to get past the filibuster and even then Dems up for re-election may not go for it either.
 

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Instead of focusing on this bogus boyfriend loophole, why don't they concentrate their efforts on dealing with the mentally ill, and their ability to easily obtain firearms.

In each of these mass shootings, mental illness is almost always the common denominator, yet the lawmakers always shy away from anything dealing with those who are mentally ill. I have no problems with someone with a diagnosed mental illness, like schizophrenia being denied purchase of firearms. Make it so their record shows up on the NICS check. And if they lie on the 4473 and it comes up they have mental health issues, then they should get denied instantly, and thrown in jail for lying on a govt form. HIPA privacy should not include those with known mental illness. The safety of society should take precedence in this case. And I'm not talking about somebody just saying Joe Schmoe is crazy. It's got to be a well documented history of mental issues. This way no red flag bullshit can be used to deny a person their rights. Anyone with a history of mental illness of say 5 years or more in duration, instant denial to purchase firearms. A one time incident where a person seeks treatment for depression, no, that should not be considered.

If I had my way, these life long mental cases would be in asylums where they belong, not mainstreamed where it isn't helping them one bit. We need to face reality, not everyone is sane, and those with known mental issues should not be allowed near firearms, much less purchase or own them. If these lawmakers would concentrate their efforts on mental illness, and leave the rest of us alone, then I'd have no problems supporting that.
I agree with the sentiment, but that's a good way to further motivate people to NOT seek mental health diagnoses for themselves and their children in the first place. That's already the biggest issue in regards to mental health along with overmedication. Even normal sane people will stay FAR away from anyone with authority to make such diagnoses at that point.
 

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From what I read is that Sen Cornyn along with some other senators have given up on the Dems and walked out on them. The Dems refused to write down the framework about what they agreed to. So whatever they come up with is not what Sen Cornyn et al agreed to. Thus it would have to get past the filibuster and even then Dems up for re-election may not go for it either.
Interesting. What's your source?
 

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Instead of focusing on this bogus boyfriend loophole, why don't they concentrate their efforts on dealing with the mentally ill, and their ability to easily obtain firearms.

In each of these mass shootings, mental illness is almost always the common denominator, yet the lawmakers always shy away from anything dealing with those who are mentally ill. I have no problems with someone with a diagnosed mental illness, like schizophrenia being denied purchase of firearms. Make it so their record shows up on the NICS check. And if they lie on the 4473 and it comes up they have mental health issues, then they should get denied instantly, and thrown in jail for lying on a govt form. HIPA privacy should not include those with known mental illness. The safety of society should take precedence in this case. And I'm not talking about somebody just saying Joe Schmoe is crazy. It's got to be a well documented history of mental issues. This way no red flag bullshit can be used to deny a person their rights. Anyone with a history of mental illness of say 5 years or more in duration, instant denial to purchase firearms. A one time incident where a person seeks treatment for depression, no, that should not be considered.

If I had my way, these life long mental cases would be in asylums where they belong, not mainstreamed where it isn't helping them one bit. We need to face reality, not everyone is sane, and those with known mental issues should not be allowed near firearms, much less purchase or own them. If these lawmakers would concentrate their efforts on mental illness, and leave the rest of us alone, then I'd have no problems supporting that.
Five years of mental illness is bad…..
but four years and three-hundred and sixty-four days is cool?

Glad to see that the mental health of a stranger can be so quickly ruled upon to strip them of their rights.
 

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I agree with the sentiment, but that's a good way to further motivate people to NOT seek mental health diagnoses for themselves and their children in the first place. That's already the biggest issue in regards to mental health along with overmedication. Even normal sane people will stay FAR away from anyone with authority to make such diagnoses at that point.
That is why a noninvasive passive solution that factors in what has changed in the last 100 years with our society needs to be addressed.
 

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Once upon a time there used to be insane asylums and mental health hospitals. But instead of fixing it correcting the problems the Democrats forced them all to close down. Thus a sizable portion of the homeless are left on the streets getting no help. Others who are mentally Ill wind up in prisons instead. So a mentally ill person who can’t be helped by their family winds up homeless or in prison now.
 

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I keep hearing announcements and claims that go back and forth. I am not seeing any joint official announcement yet with a text of the proposed compromise. Just how long does it take to agree on something after you have agreed to agree lol?
 

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I keep hearing announcements and claims that go back and forth. I am not seeing any joint official announcement yet with a text of the proposed compromise. Just how long does it take to agree on something after you have agreed to agree lol?
The Dems like usual won’t publish the bill until it is voted on. They hope to ram it through on emotion no logic or thought.
 
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