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12/22/16 update
since 6-15-10 here is loosley what i have found. I'm going to post serials as i have them. If you see your rifles serial on her and do not wish to have it posted i will remove the last threee digits for you.


1936 tula m91-30:

1363
2235 (hex)
8992
02458 (trials rifle)
02845 (trials rifle)
15537
21830
25491
28926(hex)
34949(hex)
41155 (hex)
94667 (hex)
101378 (hex)
103667(hex receiver)
162466
215654
215737
215984
216378
217094
217236
217333
218086
218118
218310
219803
219861
221676
226414
226638
227400
227629
228095
230571
233843
234454
252454
392265

1936-7 tula


1144
2257

1936 izhevsk m91-30

10964
33828
33968
102801
109102
118924
119974
125892
131551
136628
138352
141690
142210
153058
154194
157786
164960
165364
16899x
170195
170585
172231
172442
175122
176296
177332
177752
182412
182601
182596
185110
185667
187064
187231
194484
196782
197346
198201

1937 tula m91-30


5385
5273
7006
7355
8992
9670
10807
12562
13391
16735
17001
18966
20797
21931
26629
31278
39886
43070
57311
61557
97019
110455
112050
115848
118364
120807
96xxxx

1937 izhevsk m91-30

1468
4186
4921
5137
6752
7907
10964
13046
14104
15122
11829
20911
24099
25658
111027
120291
123650
147272
147661156214
158625
165xxx
165826
176298
177301
178705









I thought i would be a good idea for SCW Mosin Nagant owners to post the year, maker, and features of their rifles in this thread to help us develop a sense of what variations known, and unkown are out there. Pictures are always helpful. I own one. Its features are as follows. Walnut stock, Spanish replacement hand guard, MADE IN USSR stamp, Wire sling hangers, MP8 stock cartouche, Replacement Welded on blade style front sight. Barrel dated 1936 Tula Serial # 233843 on the barrel. No other serials match. Pics to follow. I will keep records of known examples for our research and reference (if thats ok with you guys).
 

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I look forward to learning more about the "variants" of these rifles! Mine appears to have a lighter colored hemlock stock unlike the darker & "dingy" colored ones like many of the very unsightly ones I have seen
offered in the Coeur d Alene store in north Idaho! If this one with it's arsenal refinished state & clean barrel proves to be as accurate as some owned by my friends...I will bag my next elk or deer with it! I love to
use vintage firearms as a "challenge" to harvest big game! The 7.62x54R is nearly identical to a .308 win with the same size bullet in a ballistic challenge & my 1981 Win .308 xtr has harvested more meat than my
1979 Win 30-30! My eye sight is not as well as it was 20 yrs ago...but we shall see how well I do this weekend! (I harvested my last Elk with the aid of a 3x9x44mil Simmons scope) mounted on my model 70!
 

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At one point I owned two SCW rifles.

1. 1936 Izhevsk arsenal m91/30 sn#153058 all parts arsenal and sn matched except bolt which is tula stamped and sn#157048. Made in USSR marked. Hand guard (no endcaps) and stock set is color matched perfectly and the stock has a number of Soviet cartouches. Globe front sight, no sling and no cleaning rod.

















2. 1937 Tula arsenal m91/30 sn#120037 all parts arsenal and sn matched except for a force matched (037) bolt. Made in USSR marked. Hand guard (copper? endcaps) and stock set is color matched perfectly and the stock has a "Tula Star over 1937" cartouche. Globe front sight, leather sling suspended from thick wire hangers, and cleaning rod.













Hope this information furthers our understanding and appreciation of these fascinating Mosin rifles.

Tim
 

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Thanks. This information will be put to good use. When I have enough examples written down I am going to transfer them to a word document and share them with everyone who participates. Maybe then we can start looking for patterns and gain a better understanding of what was used.
 

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Here is a 1899 Tula M91. This one covers two holes in my Mosin collection. #1, A rifle made before 1900 and #2, A Spainish Civil War rifle.









 

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Hey Mat,

Sorry I haven't posted my rifle's information.

1937 Tula #5273 M91/30
Matching receiver marked "Made in USSR"
Blade front sight with no spacer, in the white
Spanish plain cylinder end cleanin' rod, in the white
Stock is a Tula, star cartouche on right
Very faint ghost of an MP8 mark maybe
Looks like an original brass ended HG, matches the stock finish and color
Very nice stock has been lightly sanded and shellaced
All matching rifle cept bolt, over ninety percent original bluing
Non-matching Izhevsk bolt of the period
Bore is near fine and barrel has bright crown
"P.A.G.E." is stamped in the butt under the plate. Tom Page was a Black American communist volunteer.
No import marking, cept' "Made in USSR"

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ill play

1896 sestroyetsk m91
1896 sesty receiver
serial #50793
made in ussr marked

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1935 tula 91/30
1935 tula receiver
serial #1335
made in ussr marked
 

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I picked up a 1936 Izhevsk arsenal m91/30 sn#187064 all macthing numbers it does not MP8 mark on the stock. The Made in USSR is on the rear sight base. Shots very good. bore is very good not counter bored.
 

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Here is one I just picked up this past weekend -

A 1936 Tula arsenal m91/30 sn#219803. Parts are arsenal matched and the floor plate and butt plate match themselves (sn#41893), but, not the receiver. The is Tula stamped, but, is mismatched with sn#129993. No import marks as all. Hand guard with endcaps (brass?) and stock set is color- and wear-matched. Cannot see any Tula stock cartouches or any other markings for that matter. May be because the surface is so beaten up and slathered with shellac. Globe front sight, no sling (but the front wire hanger is still present), and no cleaning rod.







Tim
 

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Mat! I recently aquired a 1936 Izhevsk,original bluing with prewar stock, complete mismatch, a flattened cleaning rod and non-import marked, serial #172442, do I get to play? :) .



Pulled the buttplate and added this pic per Lancebeer's information :)



better pic.s later.
 

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Here's a few pics for your survey mat!. The Tula had a front wire hanger, but it broke when I took it off to clean the rifle. The Izhevsk didn't come with a cleaning rod (donated by JimMinardi, thanks again), and moderater Ase V. stated he has a M24 with a similar handguard as shown.
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The Tula's bolt does not match, but the entire rifle parts are Tula stamped. Details of the replacement cross bolt nut and broken wire hanger
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The Izhevsk has a replacemnt handguard and front sight. the sight seems to be from early '30s that used the Panshin bayo.

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Denny our Izhevsk Serial numbers are about 5000 apart yours is a 37 mine a 36, looks like we would be pretty high and low on the serial ranges for the respective years/dates.
 

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I came into what is believed to be a SCW 91/30 a few years back. I posted the rifle here, and someone with knowledge indicated that they thought it was one. It is a 1936 Tula, which is a prime candidate. it does not have SCW sling wires, stock bombs, "Made in USSR" (or URRS) or other obvious identifiers, but it does have a blade type front sight replacement which is the feature that was recognized as a blade type commonly seen on SCW specimens. It is almost all matching, only the bolt is non-matching. Except for the bolt, all other parts (except the replacement front sight and the missing cleaning rod) are Tula marked; barrel, floorplate, and buttplate are serial numbered 227629; and since the buttplate matches the barrel and the stock has a Tula star cartouche and is dated 1936, it is highly likely to be the original stock. Oh, if only the bolt were original :(
Here's the candy:

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Recap:
1936 Tula
Ser. # 227629
Matching barrel, floorplate and buttplate
Bolt non-matching (176622) and bolt is mixed Tula and Izhevsk parts
No importer marks, including "Made in USSR"
No sling swivel wires or SCW stock cartouches
Post and globe replaced with blade style front sight
 

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Wow! Nice rifles out there guys! Everyone gets to join in who has a suspected SCW no matter what the type. I'm really excited about the 36' 37' 91/30s. I think we have already seen that at least 3 Tulas are within the thousands of one another serial range wise. Maybe with more examples we will notice the same thing with the Izhevesks as well. Obviously there are some m 91s involved here as well. What do you think would be the best way to categorize them?
 

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Wow! Nice rifles out there guys! Everyone gets to join in who has a suspected SCW no matter what the type. I'm really excited about the 36' 37' 91/30s. I think we have already seen that at least 3 Tulas are within the thousands of one another serial range wise. Maybe with more examples we will notice the same thing with the Izhevesks as well. Obviously there are some m 91s involved here as well. What do you think would be the best way to categorize them?
I saw your other post and looked threw my 91/30's and found I have a 1936 Tula with a s/n close to yours. It has a wire hanger on it but no import marks. I thought the hanger was added by the previous owner and I had thought about removing it and throwing it away. Good thing I leave my c&r's the way I got them! I don't remember when I bought it or from where but I haven't purchased any 91/30's in a few years. The flash made the stock and metal look shiney in the pictures but it is kinda dark like yours.

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I saw your other post and looked threw my 91/30's and found I have a 1936 Tula with a s/n close to yours. It has a wire hanger on it but no import marks. I thought the hanger was added by the previous owner and I had thought about removing it and throwing it away. Good thing I leave my c&r's the way I got them! I don't remember when I bought it or from where but I haven't purchased any 91/30's in a few years. The flash made the stock and metal look shiney in the pictures but it is kinda dark like yours.

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It would make sense that it would be an SCW based on serials and the wire hanger which adds to this providence. It falls between a 215xxx serial that I have recorded, but do not yet have permission to post yet and Tims 219803 both 36' Tulas. I'm gonna go with a yes (SCW) on this based on my findings thus far. Thanks for posting and keep your eyes peeled for those SCWs! Keep em coming guys!
 
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