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I have had one of these for years. Does anyone know much about them? Reciever is by
"CENTRAL KY ARMS, matched serially matched to original upper. I am curious as to how many were rebuilt, ideas as to value in very good, but not perfect, condition?
 

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The guns were produced in the early 1980’s dealer price at the time was around $900. Most of these steel receiver Kentucky guns were sold by Bumble Bee Distributors. Before the latest run on guns you would see asking prices in the $1500-$2500 range. Only a few thousand original Portuguese model AR-10 were every made so rebuilt semi’s are fairly scare. One of the finest battle rifle that never was.
 

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Posted the following on another thread: "As a SWAG I'd say around 200 of the CKA receivers were made including a few full-auto ones. Value? You aren't giving any details. What's the condition of the bore, is the furniture original and in good shape, what kind of upper does it have (i.e. is it Transitional, standard or sniper)? The problem with exotic guns is trying to shoehorn them into a "what's the value" category. I'd say for a very ratty Portuguese AR-10 with a CKA receiver (CKA never made them for the Sudanese variant) around $1500.00."

To expand on the above. Real AR-10's in any condition are scarce and the Portuguese AR-10's were rode hard and put away wet in Africa.
If a ratty AR-10 IMHO is worth about $1500.00 (and this ain't carved on stone or cast in steel-just what I've observed in the last 15 years) then you can start adding the following values: From what I've observed among AR-10 rifles both in the US and abroad, there are very few Portuguese Models out there with nice bores. Back in 1996 I walked into a gunshop in Holland and they had something over 20 Portuguese AR-10's on the shelf-every one had a dark bore. Rifling, but dark bores. Most were beat to crap, and some were only beat to snot. So, if yours is lucky enough to have a good barrel add about $500.00. If it's a Tranistional Model i.e. Portuguese handguards but Sudanese gas system, well that's pretty rare-add at least another $1000.00. If yours has a sniper upper receiver add another $500.00. If the rubber butt isn't all nasty and worn away add around $50.00. If the furniture is not all banged to hell and the stock cracked add another $100.00.
If yours has the replacement aluminum furntiure the Portuguese Army made, add another $300.00. Hope this helps or at least confuses you in an elegant manner;)
 

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Thanks Anarchy. This is just the kind of information that I was looking for. Now I need to figure out exactly what this is.....How does one recognize Portugese/Sudanese gas systems? The bore is not perfect but is shiney, furniture is not perfect either but doesn't look too bad, no cracks. It has what appears to British? proofs (BMP crown? 20T) on the left below the cocking handle.......Unable to do pics at present.......
 

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The Portuguese gas systems have an adjustable regulator on the front sight base. Most Portuguese AR-10's in the USA pass thought the UK facilities of SIDEM International were they received English commercial firing proof marks.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F5cJCc-Q4O8

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Actually both Sudanese and Portuguese have an adjustable gas regulator on the front sight base. Portuguese have a cylindrical three position gas valve/regulator on the side of the base best adjusted with the point of a 7.62NATO FMJ cartridge. The Sudanese/Transitional models have a multi-postion gas valve/regulator at the front of the sight base-best adjusted with a special two prong tool found in the little tool kit located in the handle of the Sudanese bayonet.
 

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My AR-10

Reciever is by "CENTRAL KY ARMS, matched serially matched to original upper.
The lower receiver on my AR-10 was made by "Speciality Arms Springfield Ohio". It is an aluminum not steel receiver as as magnet is not attracted to it. Does anyone know how many AR-10 they produced? The serial number of mine is S8000X where the X single digit serial number. I suspect the S is for Speciality Arms and 80 is the year of production and the serial number of the gun is 00X. The upper receiver is marked "CAL.7.62mm.NATO-004725".

The condition of mine is relative good. There a few sctatches and dings in the plastic stock and handguard. The metal is in excellent condition. and the rubber butt plate is in good condition. The bore is dull but rifling is sharp. Mine has an unusual built-in grenade launcher, muzzle break.






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As I recall the "S" in the serial number stands for "semi" as they also made a handfull of full-auto lowers. The receivers were aluminum made from a casting and then machined. I don't recall the exact numbers, I think there were around 50-60 made with like 5 full auto lowers as well. The nice thing about Specialty Arms lowers is that they can be used on either Portuguese or Sudanese (using an offset hinge pin) upper.
 

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Here's my two:
Left - Portuguese upper on Sendra AR-10 lower #00001
Right - Sudanese upper on Telko AR-10 lower #00006. I have replaced the upper on this one
with a standard infantry type but I have no recent pics. Considering original Delft
scopes and mounts cost over 2K I decided to replace the sniper upper as it looks
lousy w/out a scope. BTW, the scope mounts are just as hard to find as the scopes
are.

Here's a crappy pic of the Sudanese with the standard infantry upper instead of the sniper upper
 

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When I ordered my Sendra I had them match the serial number on the upper. This is the Sendra with a Wilke’s buttstock on it, saving ware and tare on the original. Have Telko and PSW/PAC lowers also.
Went on from the AR-10’s to the early SR-25’s but found the 10 more pleasant to shoot.
 

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The lower receiver on my AR-10 was made by "Speciality Arms Springfield Ohio". It is an aluminum not steel receiver as as magnet is not attracted to it. Does anyone know how many AR-10 they produced? The serial number of mine is S8000X where the X single digit serial number. I suspect the S is for Speciality Arms and 80 is the year of production and the serial number of the gun is 00X. The upper receiver is marked "CAL.7.62mm.NATO-004725".

The condition of mine is relative good. There a few sctatches and dings in the plastic stock and handguard. The metal is in excellent condition. and the rubber butt plate is in good condition. The bore is dull but rifling is sharp. Mine has an unusual built-in grenade launcher, muzzle break.






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Mine looks like this one, making it Portugese.
 

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I've got one of the original AR10b rifles, it's a Kentucky marked receiver with a 6500 serial number range. Mines in pristine original condition, I bought it back in the mid 80's, but never shot it because I've got a lot of more modern military rifles. I registered it as an assault rifle here in Calif back in 2000, so at least I can take it out to shoot it now.

I'd love to know more about this history of it.

Thanks, Ray
 

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The lower receiver on my AR-10 was made by "Speciality Arms Springfield Ohio". It is an aluminum not steel receiver as as magnet is not attracted to it. Does anyone know how many AR-10 they produced? The serial number of mine is S8000X where the X single digit serial number. I suspect the S is for Speciality Arms and 80 is the year of production and the serial number of the gun is 00X. The upper receiver is marked "CAL.7.62mm.NATO-004725".

The condition of mine is relative good. There a few sctatches and dings in the plastic stock and handguard. The metal is in excellent condition. and the rubber butt plate is in good condition. The bore is dull but rifling is sharp. Mine has an unusual built-in grenade launcher, muzzle break.






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Bill, the grenade launching spigot on your Portuguese AR-10 is not unusual, it is standard on all Portuguese models. Thought you would want to know.
 

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My Ol' AR10 was one of my Favorite Semi Rifles to shoot....very controllable.....

One of my Favorite Photos.....and yes thats Semi Auto Fire...again Very Controllable.....

AR-10 Collection / Reed Knight

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