SBR a 1911??

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Beltfedplus

Discussion Starter · 15 d ago

I've been toying around with building a 1911a1 that I would SBR. At this point I don't even have a 1911 but I do have a stock. Things I'm trying to find out, are 1. Has anyone here been here and done that? 2. I do have a shoulder stock in my junk that I acquired some time back but don't have any idea who made it or where it was manufactured. And of course 3. What are the pitfalls to this project?

I'm adding that pic of the stock I have in hopes that someone can identify it to provide some point of origination of this interesting item.

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Navy87Guy

· #2 · 15 d ago

Sounds like an expensive project -- machining to add a lug to the MSH of a 1911 (or modify one from an expensive MILSURP like BHP or VIS) plus a $200 tax stamp for a novelty.

It's your money (and I certainly understand liking to work on projects) but personally I'd spend it on something else. And while it is possible to have a gun removed from the NFA registry, it's an added hassle when you want to sell it down the road. YMMV.

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Baltimoreed

· #3 · 15 d ago

Look at the sarco or GPC website as they once sold 16 inch 1911 barrels and housings machined for stocks. How well they would work i have no idea. All you need is the barrel.

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bigwagon

· #4 · 15 d ago

His stock already has the adapted mainspring housing. No machining required and can be converted back to standard in seconds. Beyond that, if it floats your boat and you don't mind spending the time and money to get a stamp, it's your call.

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panzerfaust44

· #5 · 15 d ago

Am I understanding this right.....you have to have a TAX STAMP to install a 16 inch barrel on a 1911 pistol???

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bigwagon

· #6 · 15 d ago

No. You need a stamp to put a stock on one with a barrel shorter than 16 inches, which makes it a SBR.

panzerfaust44

· #7 · 15 d ago

bigwagon said:
No. You need a stamp to put a stock on one with a barrel shorter than 16 inches, which makes it a SBR.

And that law applies to using a shoulder stock on a P08 Luger as well ?

frick

· #8 · 15 d ago

Sarco has both board stocks and BHP style, I got the BHP one, and also a slotted mainspring housing total cost under 200 bucks.

Housing is stripped no spring or plunger.

Bottom line, the worst part is engraving your pistol, I have an R1 I planned on using, but am hesitant to engrave a now rare pistol, however, its threaded and my goal is a SBR with a suppressor to make a mini 45 carbine.

Not sure why the process scares so many people.

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frick

· #9 · 15 d ago

panzerfaust44 said:
And that law applies to using a shoulder stock on a P08 Luger as well ?

Google is your friend.

NRA info on what is legal is out there.

bigwagon

· #10 · 15 d ago

panzerfaust44 said:
And that law applies to using a shoulder stock on a P08 Luger as well ?

Depends. Some are grandfathered under the NFA as exempt from the SBR requirement. Do some research. It's been discussed ad nauseam on this and other forums.

DaveL

· #11 · 15 d ago

I have one of the 1911 rifle kits that SARCO is selling. Bought it many years ago. Sounded so cool I just had to have one. $200 got me a stock, a plastic mainspring housing (MSH) and a 16" barrel. There's a sticker on the stock that says "Federal regulations require that you have at least a 16" barrel on your gun when you use this stock".

The good:
This thing is a hoot to shoot.
Looks really cool.
Gets lots of attention at the range.

The bad:
My shotgun is almost as accurate. 7 or 8 inch rested groups at 25 yrds with the 16" barrel using 230 grain hard ball.
Not a comfortable grip (the stock is mounted low and interferes with your hand).
The clamp that holds the stock sucks. It rides up in the slot in the MSH and damages the plastic MSH. After a few rounds it can actually rise up high enough to drag on the grip safety.

If I was wanting a SBR this kit would surely NOT be it.
Maybe it might be more accurate with a 5" barrel in an SBR but I wouldn't waste my time and money on it to find out.
JMHO

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Beltfedplus

Discussion Starter · #12 · 15 d ago

My thoughts today are, I already have the stock ( I wish someone could identify the manufacturer ) and perhaps a sub $400 Tisas, so I would be in for $600 total. I'm also thinking that as I clean out my cave and sell stuff that I'll come across a colt .22 conversion to top it off with. So, currently I would be out the $600, and when I'm gone, the kids would inherit it. But I'm still trying to identify the stock, manufacturer and country if at all possible. I really appreciate all the input which is really giving me a very clear picture of the pitfalls in this project.

DaveL

· #13 · 15 d ago

I can't tell you who made your stock. Only that it's different than mine. Yours has a lever to tighten it, mine has a thumb screw and a plastic MSH. Mine is the same as the ones SARCO is selling now.

herd118

· #14 · 15 d ago

It’s one of the so called Sarco “Lebanese” contract stocks. I first saw them in Shotgun News ads about 40 years ago.
Lebanese contract M1911 wooden stock?

Beltfedplus

Discussion Starter · #15 · 14 d ago

I'm guessing that there might be some credence to the Lebanese connection since there is a website in the UK? that has the same product but no provenance as to where it came from
Colt 1911/1911A1 Shoulder Stock Assembly
Possibly the stock was meant for another sidearm and was adapted to the 1911 by Sarco? Interested to know who really made them.
Does it lock up securely on your 1911? What is your overall opinion of the stock? Keeper or kick the can down the road?
Or perhaps even a little more expensive would be to sell off the stock I have and get something a little more on the line of the Inglis HP stock like
CMR Classic Firearms :: Colt 1911 Shoulder Stock Holster Colt 1911A1 .45 ACP.Ref.#1cs from CMR.

I appreciate everybody's opinion.
Regards,
Tom

The Wizard

· #16 · 14 d ago

IIRC the stock were made in Italy.

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Beltfedplus

Discussion Starter · #17 · 13 d ago

Any idea who? Or perhaps an idea?

The Wizard

· #18 · 13 d ago (Edited)

Beltfedplus said:
Any idea who? Or perhaps an idea?

No, but I am now certain they were made in Italy. How do I know this? Well, the box mind came in and is still in has a big sticker on it that says MADE IN ITALY.

Beltfedplus

Discussion Starter · #19 · 13 d ago

I think that the box tells the story. MADE IN ITALY it is! Could be that they were made in Italy for someone else and ended up in Sarcoinc's parts bin as surplus.
At this point I'm pressing ahead with purchasing parts to put together a 1911a1 as a SBR and going to file my ATF Form 1 online this weekend.
I have heard that online apps are processed in about 35 days. I do have a FFL01 so that might be a factor in the time it takes to get a stamp.
I'll post it on this thread when I get it.

danm55

· #20 · 12 d ago

Heres a few examples to look at.

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