Russian 7.62 Rolling Blocks

I have gone thru my Remington Rolling Block books and find nothing on a rolling block in 762-54R.Should i find info i will let you know.
Bill

What references? Remington was one of the companies that made rifles for Russia, but they were Mosin Nagant rifles. I have not seen nor heard of an original Rolling Block in 7.62x54R.

"The Military Remington Rolling Block Rifle", Layman, "The Russian order of the Model 1910 (rolling block) was received in the standard 7.62 Russian caliber. They were produced between 1915 and 1917".
Layman reports seeing one in the Special Forces Museum on Okinawa.

The Russians used the Colt Berdan I and Berdan II's for single-shot weapons as a general rule, but desperate measures in WWI meant that, like the Brits, Italians, French, and others, substitute standard beat nothing at all.

gun_nut_73 said:

What references? Remington was one of the companies that made rifles for Russia, but they were Mosin Nagant rifles. I have not seen nor heard of an original Rolling Block in 7.62x54R.

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Another reference"International Armament" ,Johnson & Lockhoven, "France bought 100,000 (Remington Rolling Blocks) chambered in 8mm Lebel and Russia a similar number in 7.62 Russian".

Mr. Layman also comments that the rifle on display in Okinawa was captured in Vietnam in 1965.

green said:

"The Military Remington Rolling Block Rifle", Layman, "The Russian order of the Model 1910 (rolling block) was received in the standard 7.62 Russian caliber. They were produced between 1915 and 1917"...

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Baloney... No serious source, American or Russian, ever mentions such rifle.

I have no idea about the accuracy but I have a jpeg of a page from Man at Arms magazine, August 2011, page 32, with a L & R side photo of the Russian contract Remington rolling block, with 3 paragraphs of info and a specifications sheet. I don't want to post a copyrighted page. It references layman's Remington Military Rolling Block Rifles of the World as it's source. They mention 2,900 rifles sold to Russia in 1912.

Nick said:

Baloney... No serious source, American or Russian, ever mentions such rifle.

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Nick, such a beast exists. I saw one in the flesh at a Houston Gun Show several years ago. It is what it is.

i found an interesting post from back in 2010 on the subject

http://7.62x54r.net/Forums/index.php?topic=7453.0

I've only seen one rolling block with a barrel marked "7.62 m/m". It was at a farm auction in MN about 30 yrs ago and it was in sad shape.

barbarossa said:

Nick, such a beast exists. I saw one in the flesh at a Houston Gun Show several years ago. It is what it is.

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I have G. Layman's book on the Remington and have read that part. Key word - "contract". I am not saying that RRBs don't exist in 7.62x54R. But what would make them "contract" rifles rather than a small batch of commercially imported rifles? After all G. Layman cannot establish when these rifles were imported nor can he quote a reliable document.

Joe Leiper sums it very well: "This is probably one of those "once upon a time" stories, like the Merwin Hulbert Russian contract revolvers - enough people "know they exist", but there is no evidence to confirm it."

If anyone does run into one I would be interested to see pictures. A genuine Russian contract should have Imperial Russian proofs on it somewhere (likely barrel, receiver, and stock), and will probably show some form of refurb stamp. Might also have either Spanish or Finnish proofs on it somewhere, but the presence of those shouldnt be considered absolute proof at all.

Remember folks: just because it's chambered in 54r doesnt mean its Russian.

green said:

Another reference"International Armament" ,Johnson & Lockhoven, "France bought 100,000 (Remington Rolling Blocks) chambered in 8mm Lebel and Russia a similar number in 7.62 Russian".

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I'd like to believe this, but if so - where are all the Russian ones?

I have chased the mythical Russian contract Rolling block for almost 30 years! There were commercials made in 7.62 and .43 Spanish (which is essentially interchangable with .42 Berdan). I have found no evidence of a military contract for these. I have seen and held both models, but they were not marked in any way for the Russian government.

Until somebody can come up with paper or marked guns ....
Joe

jleiper said:

Russian Lugers are real, there was a small contract and the details and deliveries are known.
Joe
Remington Rolling Block, Merwin Hulbert, French Russian contract Galands (they were all made in Liege), ....
However, I can put one to rest:

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Goltyakov Lefaucheux made in Tula
Joe

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First I've ever seen of one of those... VERY nice as always Joe.

jleiper said:

Russian Lugers are real, there was a small contract and the details and deliveries are known.

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I would appreciate more information on this, probably in a separate thread. I am trying to understand why the "Russian" Lugers are marked in Bulgarian and don't have Russian acceptance stamps.

Because the order was small and it was too expensive to make new stamps. There are no acceptance marks, because they were for test. I'll have to dig my notes out to give you all the information.

Joe