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Say ...Norma, Swedish quality right? Now with mergers I see MFS Hungarian 9x18 in a Norma box. Lake City 5.56 in a Norma box even!

Geco was a great German maker...now again MFS in a Geco Box.

Winchester ammo has come from Israel or the Czech Rebublic..or Lake City.

I guess with Buicks coming from Korea and Germany this is the way the world works these days, and not all of this is to take advantage of the buyer...

But “BUYER BEWARE“ just in case!
 

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Yes I do.
I was a firm Remington believer then they went to hell.
Kynoch used to be good, now its just a whored out name.
Eley Tenex used to be superb.
Sad, its all about the buck nowadays. I never thought my preferred brand of brass would be in "Mittel Europe", but it is.
 

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I guess if you're buying steel cased, berdan primed Wolf from Russia at least you know just what you're getting. <rolleyes>
 

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Yea, when growing up the brands you knew you could trust:
For the rich kids- Norma and RWS
For us poorer kids:
Winchester Western and Remington
Now days I will buy Privi. Many of the ammo makers use their brass cases.
Federal seems to be a favorite maker for our police departments.
The rest as stated have dropped their quality to a point I will not buy it.
 

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Way back in the 1970's when I worked at a department store with a sporting goods/long arms department, the good 'ole boys would come in for their one box of 30-30 or '06 for the upcoming deer season. They'd turn up their noses at Federal ammo, and go to the Norma or Remington, or Browning in the foil boxes. Now days, folks fall over themselves for Federal.
 

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Remingtons bronze tipped 165 so accurate..disappeared..
I changed to federal never look back to them nor Winchester two inch best groups out of ragged hole rifles.
eley target Mexico..
Russian steel, or brass target out preformed them.
 

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When PPU craps the bed.....
 

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Sadly ammo is another area where american product quality has fallen dramatically yet American brands price everything much higher than imports. I will always buy Prvi or S&B over Winchester or Remington no questions asked. Federal is the only American company still making decent ammo at a semi realistic price point.
 

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Just the same, there must be a few aged members who remember the days when rifle or ammunition makers would say "If you get a three or four inch group from a mass-produced sporting rifle, what are you complaining about?" Many of us are currently getting far better results with the same rifles. The difference is in the bullet, the case, the bedding and the powder, in approximately that order.

It was the achievements of the amateur benchresters that prodded them on, with activities which many thought about as relevant to ordinary people's needs as F1 motor racing. Things do seem to be on a dowbturn, but it is after a longer route up.
 

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Tula has a plant in the USA now?

“USA Forged is 100-percent made in the USA and is safe for use on any range, and with any properly chambered modern firearm. Winchester offers USA Forged in 20-round, 50-round and 150 Round boxes“
 

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Tula has a plant in the USA now?

“USA Forged is 100-percent made in the USA and is safe for use on any range, and with any properly chambered modern firearm. Winchester offers USA Forged in 20-round, 50-round and 150 Round boxes“
Hands down the worst 9mm I’ve ever shot, and perhaps the worst ammo overall. In line with Herters .22LR and just as sticky !
 

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Federal since the 80’s my best at bench results..
then I started reloading..hedged results..target wise..
federal stay my hunting rounds after bronze tip Remington disappeared or was stopped in productions..
 

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Brands may mean little when there's nothing on the shelves.
True, no 9mm pistol ammo here anywhere, local pawn shop bought a few boxes of recent Winchester from a guy the other her day, sold it all at $1.00 per round same day.
Not unusual these days.
 

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I've a Rem 700 Sendero in 308. Bought it about 15 years ago and never thought it delivered the accuracy it should have. Shot some R-P 308 in it just to get empty cases to reload. Some of the cases were hard to chamber.Found out that the extractor groove was not fully machined. Shot SMK 168 gr match kings. Tried all sorts of things, different powders, powder charges, primers, and seating depths. Nothing better that 1.5". SMK's were seated out so far that I single loaded them and still couldn't get near the throat. 1300 rounds of ammo. Also have a Savage 110FP in 308. After I glassed the front receiver ring, 10 rounds of Lake City Match into a 1/2" at 100 yds. The Sendero wouldn't group it any better that the 1.5" at the same distance. And then Remington discontinued their 357 125 grain HP which shot well in my Beretta 92FS with the oversized 9mm barrel. Rem-Umc 9mm cost me a new firing pin as their crappy primers when pierced ate the tip of the firing pin. All other brands no problem. I don't know much about regional brand loyality. But when I lived in NYC Remington primers were very popular. With Winchester a close second. Down here in Louisiana just a little different, Winchester primers followed by CCI and then Rem. Course now with Covid, little to no available primers,powder, reloading components and firearm sporadically available. And the bankruptcy of Remington and the selling off of its assets looks like anything Remington isn't going to be available anytime soon. Frank
 
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