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There is already a separate thread on cast bullet loads, that's the reason for the title.

I shall try to assemble some of the posted loading data and experiences.

Am starting with a brief (too brief) remark by mag:

mag
Posted - 03/15/2004 : 11:22:04 PM
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Presumably this refers to the 128 grains bullet from Hornady via Graf's?
Try 35.0 of I-3031. I have been gettting a 1.5 average with that load in mine. It is going 2200 fps in a short rifle. mag
 

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Old Midway Handloads

Jim Greenrose
Posted - 03/26/2004 : 7:24:20 PM
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While shooting my 7.35 carcano today I tried a few Midway rounds. I know they have not been around a while but these were mint. To my surprise 2 split near the base and totaly flatened the primers. I fired about 18 rounds of my reloads with no problems. So most likely not the gun. Caution if you have any of these they may be way to hot for your gun. Any ideas ?



tbaus
Posted - 03/27/2004 : 4:01:46 PM
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The first thing ( and easiest thing to do) I would do is mic the bullets in the Midway ammo and compare it to your reload bullets.Compare OAL too. If the bullets are too large chamber pressure could go way up, othewise it is a hot load as you suggest.



Carcano
Posted - 03/27/2004 : 4:42:58 PM
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Even more important: mike the case neck width when still loaded.



Jim Greenrose
Posted - 03/27/2004 : 5:34:04 PM
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Thanks Guys. I am using B.A.C .298 in the reloads but the Midways mic out to .300. Accuracy in the reloads with .298 are not very good compared to the .300. I shot old military .300 and they groupe fine. Another thing is that not all cases split and the ones that did not the extraction was normal and the primers were ok. "Mio pense che il mio ancestero me matsalo". Broken Italian for .I think my ancestors are trying to kill me.



tbaus
Posted - 03/27/2004 : 10:22:04 PM
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Sounds like your first guess is right. Hot ammo.. and gross inconsistency. If I were you, I would pull the bullets and reload the brass with a known quantity of the proper powder.. Good shootin'...



Jim Greenrose
Posted - 03/28/2004 : 1:27:57 PM
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tBaus, Thanks. A good safe idea. I will pull the heads and reload with a low grain dose and see what happens. My next adventure is to try and work up a reasonable load for a 6.5 Vetterli.
 

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Hornady .300 bullets

ken giller
Posted - 04/10/2004 : 4:40:28 PM
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I received 50 rounds of brass with winchester and remington cases converted from 257 roberts from Buffalo arms. The remington cases worked fine with the .300 hornady bullets but the winchester did not chamber. Curious I pulled a few bullets from my surplus ammo(.298 diameter) and made some rounds with both the remington and winchester cases. Both worked fine with the .298 bullets, chambering and fireing fine at the range. My guess is that the winchester cases are just a little thicker so that the .002 difference of the Hornady bullet doesn't let them chamber. I had the same results with both my 7.35 short rifle and cav. carbine. I plan on trying out Buffalo's .298 bullets next time. Has anyone else discovered this in thier loading of the Hornady 7.35 bullet?



mag
Posted - 04/11/2004 : 12:22:25 AM
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I just use the new 6.5 Carcano cases from frontier or 6.5mm MS cases necked up and trimed to length. mag



Antonio
Posted - 04/11/2004 : 01:17:23 AM
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I find that I sometimes have to ream the neck on different brand cases. Also my 38SR that I shoot most of the time has an accuracy mark on it and the chamber is just a tad tighter.
 

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Hornady 7.35 loading data?

airdale
Posted - 01/08/2005 : 10:23:57 PM
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Has anyone got loading data from Hornady for their 123 gr. soft point 7.35 Carcano .300 dia. bullet?



mag
Posted - 01/09/2005 : 02:19:48 AM
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35.0 of I-3031 works well for me. mag



airdale
Posted - 01/09/2005 : 09:56:36 AM
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Thanks for the reply mag, I'll put your load in my notes. I will call Hornady tommorrow and ask if they will email or fax me the data for these bullets. If they do I will post on this forum.



airdale
Posted - 01/10/2005 : 11:43:42 AM
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I spoke with a tech at Hornady today and was told they have no data for their 123 gr 7.35 bullet. He did give me some data from Cartridges Of The World and I will share that info.
IMR 3031- start 35gr. - 38gr. max
IMR 4895- START 36gr. - 40gr. max



NebrHogger
Posted - 01/10/2005 : 1:25:49 PM
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The Hornady 1973 manual lists data for the 128 gr bullet they made then. Will send it if you like. SW



airdale
Posted - 01/10/2005 : 1:58:13 PM
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Yes I would like the data! Thanks Neb. email sent



airdale
Posted - 01/10/2005 : 2:03:29 PM
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Neb, just noticed there is no email poster above your post. Could you contact me through boards and I will reply with info. Thanks.



NebrHogger
Posted - 01/10/2005 : 4:08:51 PM
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From page 190 of the 1973 Hornady reloading manual for the 7.35 Carcano using the Hornady 128gr bullet, Norma brass and Federal 210 primer:

IMR 3031: 33.6gr = 2200fps
34.8gr = 2300 fps
36.1gr = 2400 fps
37.3gr = 2500 fps
38.6gr = 2600 fps MAX LOAD

IMR 4064: 36.0gr = 2200 fps
37.3gr = 2300 fps
38.5gr = 2400 fps
39.8gr = 2500 fps
41.0gr = 2600 fps MAX LOAD

H380: 36.8gr = 2200 fps
38.4gr = 2300 fps
39.9gr = 2400 fps
41.4gr = 2500 fps
42.9gr = 2600 fps MAX LOAD

They show this data as having been tested in a 'Model 38 carbine' with a 21" barrel. They may mean the M38 short rifle. Also shown are IMR 4198, IMR 4895, and IMR 4320. I can list these when I return from work in a couple days if you're interested. - I'm leaving shortly, or I'd post them now. All the caveats concerning old data with newly-made powders apply particularly in this case.



airdale
Posted - 01/10/2005 : 7:29:37 PM
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Thanks again for the data neb. I already have the IMR 4895 data so no need to send any more. Yes I am aware of old data with new powder and looking at the IMR 3031 data, nothing has changed in over 30 yrs.
BTW were you able to put that doe in the freezer with your vitali that you were working up the loads for back in the summer?



NebrHogger
Posted - 01/12/2005 : 03:58:54 AM
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airdale,
No doe, but I won a postal match with it! SW
 

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airdale
Posted - 03/08/2005 : 11:20:58 PM
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Most of these rifles are excellent shooters. Mine likes 38grs. of IMR4895 and the 123gr. Hornady .300 dia. bullets. Enjoy.
 

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7,35mm bullets

Safeshot
Posted - 03/09/2005 : 9:59:27 PM
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I have (somewhere) 6 or 7 boxes of "new"-"old stock" (from the 1970's I think) Hornady .300 dia jacketed soft point bullets, 128 Gr. in boxes of 100 bullets each. The boxes are "shop worn" and "scuffed". The bullets are new and in excellent condition. I will try to locate them and will post when I find them. Is there any interest in these bullets?



Safeshot
Posted - 03/10/2005 : 6:15:38 PM
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"Buffalo Arms" website lists three jacketed bullets for the 7.35 mm Carcano. They have 130 gr and 150 gr with .298 dia and 123 gr with .300 dia. I did not see any mention of bullet manufacturer. I could not find Carcano brass on their web site. You might wish to call them to see if they have any or can advise you of a source for the brass.
 

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Load for Fucile M 1938 with Finnish Sights

Non-SA marked 7.35 short rifle

GjMan
Posted - 03/31/2005 : 12:41:29 PM
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How common are these? Mine is a 1939 Terni, not import marked. The muzzle is counterbored--something I've never seen before on a Carcano. The stock is not original, so I don't know if it once had a stock marked CAL 7,35 and thus was retained in Italy during WWII.

To me the most unusual thing about this rifle is that the sights are dead on at 100 yards with my favorite 7.35 load, 35 grains IMR 4320 and Hornady/Graf 128 gr bullet. And that's using the more common, American-style sight picture--top of post even with top of rear sight. The front sight blade is noticeably taller than on other 7.35s I have seen. If the blade was fabbed and installed by a previous owner, he did a fine job as it looks factory. Accuracy is good.



GjMan
Posted - 04/01/2005 : 11:23:25 AM
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Five shot groups at 100 yards average about 2 1/2", but I bet someone with younger eyes could shrink that a bit. Those crude sights and short sight radius aren't conducive to precision marksmanship. Especially for us older guys.

The idea that this is a Finn gun that did not get marked is plausible. If it spent the war in Italy, it should have the shorter front sight blade. The sights are dead on at 100 yards, that is, bullets impact in the center of a 6" bull using a six o'clock hold.



GjMan
Posted - 04/08/2005 : 3:29:26 PM
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BTW, since starting this thread I managed to get to the range and do a side by side test of the new Hornady/Graf 128 7.35 bullets with the old discontinued Hornaday 128 7.35 bullets. Group size with the old bullets was about 1/2" smaller (100 yd) and velocity was slower (2060 vs. 2120). The new bullets mike .0001-.0002" larger than the old, and the diameters are not as uniform. Although the bullets appear identical, POI with the old was about 1" to the left of the new. I had to shoot about ten rounds thru the rifle before groups and velocities stabilized.

So if you see a box of these old bullets at a shop or show, grab 'em.
 

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sandy
Posted - 05/20/2005 : 8:59:36 PM
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What is a good source for brass, bullet and reloading die for 7.35 carcano. I can not find any loading data for jacket bullet in this caliber and Lyman cast bullet handbook highly advice against anything but light cast load in 7.35 carcano.



NebrHogger
Posted - 05/20/2005 : 9:23:01 PM
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http://www.grafs.com has everything you need to reload that caliber. You simply run 6.5X52 brass through the 7.35 FL die & away you go. The older reloading manuals perpetrated more than a few myths about Carcanos. If there are no headspace issues, they are fine with mil-spec ammo.

When you are ready, I have data from the 1973 Hornady manual. So does airdale. Now that turkey season is over, I hope to have something of relevance to post concerning 150 gr bullets in the 7.35 Carcano in a few weeks. SW



stevenjay1
Posted - 05/21/2005 : 12:00:05 AM
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NebrHogger, I look forward to hearing about your work with the 150 grain bullet in the 7.35 Carcano. I have been swaging 150 grain .308 flat base bullets to .300 with good success out to 200 yards. I don't do as well with the 128-130 grain bullet because I feel they are too light and short for the 1:10 twist used in the carcano barrel. The original military bullets were 128 grains but longer due to the void in the nose of the bullet and hence would stablize with the 1:10 twist. I have been working with Win 748 powder and getting good results. I am also planning to start work with a 170 grain bullet. Steve
 

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Anyone have an accurate load for the 7.35

stevenjay1
Posted - 05/30/2005 : 3:08:50 PM
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I have been playing with the 7.35 and 150 grain bullets. The bullets are re-swaged .308 flat base soft point. My swaging die takes the .308 bullet to .300. I have been getting about 2 1/2" at 100 yards with the M-38 military rear sight and Finn replacement front sight. Not the best sight picture. I'm have been using H-380 and W-748 powders. has anyone come up with a good accurate load for these rfles that show better results then 2 1/2" groups? Thanks, Steve



WesinMI
Posted - 06/01/2005 : 11:29:42 AM
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They are only designed to achieve about 4 moa at best so you are doing very well at 2.5 moa. I have yet to shoot them that well and I am working with the customary Hornady or pulled surplus 128 gr bullets. You have too many odd reloading variables that I'd bet few of us have ever replicated. These are NOT target rifles by any stretch. Many factors work against that - short sight radius, extended Finn front sight that is still quite thick, military notch sight and long trigger pull, slow ignition, etc. The Finns did not put their customary fine tuning work into these with new barrels, sights, and stock work so they recognized their accuracy shortcomings and probably relegated them to arm support troops.



stevenjay1
Posted - 06/01/2005 : 11:47:38 AM
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Thanks WesinMI, sometimes I get so caught up in my quest for a one hole group I forget the limitations of the rifle. Steve



NebrHogger
Posted - 06/01/2005 : 1:01:22 PM
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Given the trigger on most of these, I would be plumb happy with 2.5" @ 100 yards. SW



NebrHogger
Posted - 06/02/2005 : 7:04:37 PM
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I have been working on an accurate load for 7.35 using 150 gr bullets & this has done fairly well. The load is 30.0 gr/AA2520 under a 150 gr RNHP. The bullet has obviously been swaged down from a 308, but I can't tell what brand. OAL was 2.875" and CCI LR primers were used. This is for the right group. The load averaged 1898 fps over the chrono.

The left group's load was 38.0 gr/ IMR 4895 with the same bullet & OAL. It averaged 2499 fps & there were no pressure signs of any kind with either load. If you wish to experiment with this, all the standard caveats apply, of course.

The first pic shows the 100M groups. The two bottom shots are one flyer from each string. It was me, no doubt. A regular Pilot pen was stuck in the target for perspective. On the left, along the length of the pen, is the IMR 4895 group, and the AA2520 is on the right.

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The second pic shows the 50 yard groups. On the left is the IMR 4895 and AA2520 is on the right. These were 5 shot groups, but the first shots were to get on paper as my M38 shoots way high. Once I got on paper, I shot for group as I only had 10 rounds for this string. A 7.62X54R round is shown for perspective.

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This was not a very organized approach as I forgot several items. I also left a little earlier than I had anticipated as cattle kept wandering up to the firing line. The rancher we lease our range from also leases grazing to pay the property tax. I believe these two loads show promise, though and I will continue to test them. And score more 6.5 Carcano brass from Grafs! SW



GjMan
Posted - 06/02/2005 : 9:19:56 PM
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If I were getting 2 1/2-inch 5-shot groups at 100 yards with issue sights, I would not change a thing. I glued a 2x pistol scope to my Finned M38 (aging eyes, y'know) and that's about the same accuracy I get with the old Hornady 128s and 35 grains of IMR 4320. The new Graf/Hornady 128s are not quite as accurate.



stevenjay1
Posted - 06/03/2005 : 5:41:44 PM
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NebrHogger, the load with AA2520 shows real promise. I'll give that a try and I have also heard good things about IMR 4320 in the 7.35 as well. I'm going to try to get out to the range Sunday afternoon and I'll post some pictures if I make it. Thanks, Steve



NebrHogger
Posted - 06/03/2005 : 6:18:07 PM
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Steve,

Keep us posted! More information is better!! I think there is a lot of room to load heavier charges of AA2520, but with those groups, I believe I will leave well enough alone.

Anybody have any ideas where would be a good place to start with IMR3031 and the 150 gr bullet?

BTW, I tried 748 & didn not have any results worth talking about. SW



airdale
Posted - 06/03/2005 : 9:26:42 PM
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Neb, my old Lyman 45th edition manual says start with 33grs IMR3031 and max at 37grs for the 150gr bullet.



NebrHogger
Posted - 06/03/2005 : 11:03:14 PM
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airdale,
Thank you!! I'll give that a shot over the chronograph and relay results! SW



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Posted - 06/04/2005 : 08:43:20 AM
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NebrHogger
Posted - 06/04/2005 : 11:41:12 AM
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DMala,
Thank you! If the rain will let up, I'll get to the range this afternoon & give that load a try. Now if I can just get my M38 to shoot to the sights like yours does! SW



stevenjay1
Posted - 06/04/2005 : 1:33:17 PM
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NebrHogger, I tried IMR3031 and was not happy with the results. But as any reloader knows...what does not work in one rifle may be the Cat's Meow in another. I look forward to your 3031 results. Steve



NebrHogger
Posted - 06/05/2005 : 11:44:25 AM
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Steve,
You are right about IMR3013 - the best I could manage was right at 4". At 50 yards! At 100M, I only got 2 of 5 on a 9" foam plate. I believe I will be sticking with AA2520 for this caliber. SW
 

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7.35 Carcano loads

Obsidian
Posted - 08/03/2005 : 12:31:50 AM
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Nosler's 125 gr. Ballistic Tip swaged to .299 and powered with 39 gr. of IMR3031 is an AWESOME load for the 7.35x52. Accurate and powerful enough to do anything you want to do with a 7.35 rifle.

Edit: 123 gr. FMJ bullets for the 7.62x39 are fantastic swaged down too. I blast steel plates with those out to 300 yards. Cheap and plentiful.



airdale
Posted - 08/03/2005 : 09:07:42 AM
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My rifle with the 123 gr Hornady bullet likes 38 grs. IMR 4895 (start 36grs and max 40grs.). I got this data from the Lyman 45th edition reloading manual. It also list loads for IMR 4198, 3031, 4064, 4320, ball C2 and H380 and also has data for 150 gr. jacketed and 150 gr cast bullets. IF you would like me to make you a copy of the data, let me know.
Lee Precision will make you a .300 dia. bullet sizing die that works in any standard reloading press for $25 plus $4 shipping. This is the same die I use to swage jacketed .308 dia bullets to .300 dia. Just call their customer service and tell them you want to order a .300 dia. bullet sizing kit, it takes 3-4 weeks to receive it.
Make sure you lube the bullets prior to sizing (I use Lee case lube).



jcjordan
Posted - 08/03/2005 : 6:22:40 PM
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Thanks airdale, I didn't think of my lyman as having loads for it but I've got 47 or 48th ed (I think), will look at it this eve to see. I've not had the best luck with IMR in other calibers but may in this - got to use that 4064 & 4895 somehow
By sizing die your talking something different than the case sizing die?? I've not swaged before nor seen how it's done just heard it here & there in the reloading topics. Any more general info on swaging you could give would be appreciated.
Jeremy did you just develop your load out of the blue from experience or from something like Lymans that had some old data & worked with it from there? As far as IMR, I've used 3031(6.5Car), 4064(several), 4895(several) & 4350(7.5Sw). I've grown to love VV140 for most all my large calibers but haven't found anything yet for my med calibers.



airdale
Posted - 08/03/2005 : 7:02:59 PM
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jc the bullet sizing die from Lee threads on you press just like a case sizing die, just follow the directions that they provide with the kit. You lube the bullet and guide it into the die and pull down on the press handle just like resizing a case only its a bullet, very simple.
The loading data for the 7.35 is not in the newer Lyman manuals only the older one's. If you want a copy of the data from my 45th edition manual PM or email me thru the boards with an address and I will mail you a copy.



stevenjay1
Posted - 08/05/2005 : 12:46:18 PM
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Airdale, I resize 150 grain .308 bullets to .300 for use in my 7.35 Cracano in the same manner as you do. However, I can not do it in a single stroke on the handle. I'm using a RCBS Rockchucker press and have to resize the bullets in several stages by lowering the die to take advantage of the maximum leverage point on the ram and handle. Are you able to resize your bullets with a single stroke? Thanks, Steve



airdale
Posted - 08/05/2005 : 1:25:28 PM
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Originally posted by stevenjay1
Airdale, I resize 150 grain .308 bullets to .300 for use in my 7.35 Cracano in the same manner as you do. However, I can not do it in a single stroke on the handle. I'm using a RCBS Rockchucker press and have to resize the bullets in several stages by lowering the die to take advantage of the maximum leverage point on the ram and handle. Are you able to resize your bullets with a single stroke? Thanks, Steve
Yes steve I can resize the bullet in one stroke if I use Lee case lube. The first bullet takes a little effort but after the die gets well lubed it's just about the same effort as sizing a case. I lube the inside of the die first using a Q-tip then apply the lube to the bullets using my fingers and they zip right through the die.
I use an old Pacific C press so I would think your Rockchucker should size the bullet in one stroke. Are you using a Lee die?



stevenjay1
Posted - 08/05/2005 : 8:01:49 PM
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Airdale Thanks, Yes I am using the Lee Die. But I had it made at .299 to account for a .001" spring back. I generally only lube the bullet and not the die. I also only use the RCBS case lube. I will try to readjust the die and use the Lee lube. I'll see if that helps and let you know. BTW..Airdale, were you in the Navy? Steve



airdale
Posted - 08/05/2005 : 10:14:47 PM
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Steve the Lee lube will probably take care of your problem. I have tried the spray lube made by Hornady and electrical wire pulling lube but the Lee lube works the best. BTW you only need to lube the die once and the lube on the bullets will keep it lubed after that.

Yes I was in the Navy, got out in 1987 after 21 yrs.



stevenjay1
Posted - 08/06/2005 : 12:09:41 AM
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Airdale, I tried the Lee Lube and it did seem to work better but the bench I currently use is not stout enough for the job. Come tomorrow I'll move the RC press to the workbench in the garage and try it there. I took a good look at the inside of the die and it has a bearing surface that is approximately an inch long. Does your die have the same length of bearing surface?

I suspected you might have been in the Navy with a handle like Airdale. I enlisted June of '67 and got out Sept. '71 as an AG2.

Thanks, Steve



airdale
Posted - 08/06/2005 : 07:51:09 AM
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Yes Steve the bearing surface in my die is about the same. What bullet are you using? The Speer 150 gr. flat base spitzer sizes easely and is very accurate in my rifle.



stevenjay1
Posted - 08/06/2005 : 2:21:18 PM
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Airdale, I have been using the 150 gr. Hornady and I think the jackets must be thicker then the Speer's. I had one of the 150 grain Speer bullets left and it went through the Lee die with much less effort then the Hornady. Compared to the Hornady it was a hot knife trough warm butter. I'll pick up a box of the Speer bullets at the local shop today. Thank for the help on this.

I didn't pursue a career as a weather guesser after I left the Navy but my wife has always been interested in Metrology so I was able to share my knowledge with her. I came very close to making the Navy my career after I graduated for college in '75 but I flunked the physical due to hearing loss in my right ear. By '75 the Navy was well if not over staffed and they could be picky. Oh well, what is meant to be is meant to be. Steve



GjMan
Posted - 08/06/2005 : 10:23:28 PM
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I too use a Lee die to swage down .308 bullets. I've found the Hornady 150 grain FMJs seem to have a softer lead core than many others, and are easier to run thru the die.



stevenjay1
Posted - 08/06/2005 : 10:39:59 PM
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Gjman, The Hornady bullets I was using were the 150 grain flat base soft point. I have not tried the Hornady FMJ bullets. I did take a trip to my local gun shop this afternoon and picked up a box or 150 grain soft point flat base .308 bullets and they were much easier to resize then the Hornady bullets. In fact, the difference was night and day. The only thing I can think of is the jacket on the Hornady FMJ bullets is thin since you are not worried about bullet performance other then to hit the target and put a hole through it. This is in contrast to a soft point that is required to expand while still retaining it weight. As for the hardness/softness on the lead I suspect both types of bullets use soft lead cores but I’m not 100% positive about it. FWIW, I believe it is the thickness of the jacket that determines the difficulty of resizing rather then the lead core. Steve
 

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Necking up and trimming cases

hullmtn
Posted - 02/22/2007 : 10:33:34 PM
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Are trimmer pilots available for Lee or Forster trimmers for the 7.35? I have read that you can blow 6.5 brass out to 7.35 by loading 35-40 grains of medium speed rifle powder in the cases and plugging the neck with bread-anyone ever try that?



ramrunner
Posted - 02/23/2007 : 08:12:30 AM
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Let me know how it works. I need to do the same thing. I have heard the same as you. I've been looking for a trim pilot as well. I believe Lee will make it, but I can't remember the price. Check Leeprecision.com



airdale
Posted - 02/23/2007 : 09:50:32 AM
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Just simply run 6.5 Carcano brass through the 7.35 sizing die being sure you have the inside of the neck properly lubed and trim to lenght. I trim mine to 2.015, the same dimension as the original military case.

Lyman is the only company that I know of that makes a trimmer pilot for this cal. and it's a #29.



rocklock
Posted - 02/23/2007 : 7:46:40 PM
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I reform 6.5 to 7.35 in 3 steps.

First, I expand the neck to .308 using a Lee 7.5x55 die with a nice, tapered expander.

Next, I use a .308 Winchester Lee hand trimmer to trim the cases.

Finally, I run them through the 7.35 sizing die.



hullmtn
Posted - 02/23/2007 : 9:15:59 PM
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Thanks for the info, I had thought of the tapered expander but thought I might have to make one. The Lee 308 trimmer is a good idea, better check to see if there is one in my collection. Load everything from 25 Auto to 458 Win so just might have one. Gun is on layaway, will pick up in April. Chet



Tiledude
Posted - 02/24/2007 : 12:31:23 AM
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I just FL size the 6.5 Carcano brass, trim and fire-form with starting load. Never had any problems. I just use a smaller diameter pilot and push the base flat against the collet before I lock it down. Works fine for me. The 7.35 is really easy to load for.



hullmtn
Posted - 02/24/2007 : 8:50:14 PM
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I found out Lee Precision will custom make a case length gage for their hand trimmer for $15.00. You can specify the diameter. Chet



jonk
Posted - 03/01/2007 : 10:19:33 AM
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I shoot mine with cast bullets and light loads mainly, and check case length with a caliper. I have yet to need to trim. But I do have a custom lee trimmer if I ever should. It worked fine to knock 1mm off going from 6.5 to 7.35.



Merle
Posted - 03/08/2007 : 10:12:07 AM
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Originally posted by jonk
I shoot mine with cast bullets and light loads mainly, and check case length with a caliper. I have yet to need to trim. But I do have a custom lee trimmer if I ever should. It worked fine to knock 1mm off going from 6.5 to 7.35.
Several years ago I acquired two boxes of 7.35 primed brass as part of a trade. The former owner had re-formed them from 6,5 x 54 MS, as best I recall. He claimed they didn't come out short that way.



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Posted - 03/10/2007 : 5:29:34 PM
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Many years ago Midway sold this cartridge and 8mm Nambu also. It was sold under their brand name and I have an orange box of each. I too have blown out the 6.5 but make sure you have enough neck relief because I had to turn the outside neck a little to chamber without binding. You wouldn't think this would be necessary but in my case it was. Good Luck
 

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Posted - 09/14/2005 : 4:46:30 PM
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Anybody have any "pet" 7.35 loads they want to share. I have a sa marked m38 in 7.35 to try out. I'm useing reformed 6.5 graf brass and the hornady .300 bullets. TIA



Obsidian
Posted - 09/16/2005 : 1:48:12 PM
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39 gr. of IMR3031 is outstanding as is 38 Gr. of IMR4895. Very accurate.



airdale
Posted - 09/16/2005 : 1:57:59 PM
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My rifle likes 38grs IMR4895 with the 123gr bullet. My data lists 36grs starting load and 40grs max with the IMR4895.



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Posted - 09/16/2005 : 2:04:31 PM
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Originally posted by BIG ED
Anybody have any "pet" 7.35 loads they want to share. I have a sa marked m38 in 7.35 to try out. I'm useing reformed 6.5 graff brass and the hornady .300 bullets. TIA
Hey Big Ed, I got one of those M38 7.35's. When you say "reformed 6.5 graf brass", what does this actually mean ? Just run the 6.5 brass through the 7.35 sizing die ?
regards....roger



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Roger,
You should also trim the 6.5 brass to 2.00 before loading, too. SW



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Posted - 09/17/2005 : 07:47:03 AM
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Roger,

thats what I do and I trim it too. Like the other fella said. It's actually 7.35X51mm so its a bit shorter than 6.5X52mm. I guess if you have a deep chamber it doesn't matter much. But could cause excess pressure or difficult extraction if you don't.



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I get good accuracy with 35 gr. of IMR 4320 and the Hornady .300" bullet. Also, shoots to POA at 150 meters with the Finn-modified sights on my M38 short rifle.

On the subject of case length, all my 6.5 Carcanos have chamber lengths somewhat to considerably longer than published specs. In fact, one of them can use reformed 6.5x54 MS brass with no trimming at all--just run 'em thru the 6.5x52 die, load, and shoot. I use a Sinclair chamber length gauge to tailor ammo to each rifle. I suspect 7.35s probably have long chambers too, but since nobody makes a gauge in that caliber we should stick to published specs.

BTW,reloading guru Rick Jamison claims you get best accuracy when case length is just a little shorter than chamber length.



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Where is the point of reference located with the Sinclair chamber length gauges ?
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Alexander, the Sinclair chamber length gauge is a piece of soft steel shaped kinda like a wadcutter bullet; it has two diameters--one is bullet diameter, and the other is chamber neck diameter. To use, you cut about 0.100" off the neck of a scrap full-length sized case and then insert the bullet-diameter end of the gauge into the case a short distance. Then you chamber the case-gauge combo. The neck-diameter front part of the gauge contacts the front of the chamber and is driven deeper into the case as you close and lock the bolt. Remove case-gauge and measure length with caliper. This is max case length for that particular rifle.

Even though the gauge is intended for standard 0.264" groove diameters, it seems to work just fine with the Carcanos and their oversize grooves.
 

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7.35 Carcano reloading

Ciccio
Posted - 06/28/2006 : 12:55:16 PM
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Excuse me please , 'cause may be an old and discussed subject , but I need a tip in reloading this cartridge using formed brass from 6.5 Carcano and Hornady 128 grains bullet . Here in Italy the most available powders are from Vihtavuori and I'd better data such related. I am going to start with 36 grains of N 140 or 35 grains of N135. All data and tips are welcome. Thanks!
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Posted - 06/28/2006 : 6:47:51 PM
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Ciccio I have data using the Hornady 128 grain bullet with the following powders, IMR4198, IMR3031, IMR4895, IMR4064, IMR4320, BL-C(2) and H380. If you would like the data using any of the listed powder let me know and I will post it for you.



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Posted - 06/30/2006 : 02:12:36 AM
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Hello! I collect every kind of reloading data so I'like yours. Thank you very much!
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airdale
Posted - 06/30/2006 : 08:04:18 AM
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Ciccio the following data is from the Lyman 45th edition reloading manual for 7.35 cal. using 128 grain Hornady bullet.

IMR4198 31.0 grains = 2463 FPS
35.0 grains = 2710 FPS (max load)

IMR3031 34.0 grains = 2364 FPS
38.0 grains = 2672 fps (max load)

IMR4895 36.0 grains = 2415 FPS
40.0 grains = 2604 FPS (max load)

IMR4064 36.0 grains = 2272 FPS
40.0 grains = 2544 FPS (max load)

IMR4320 38.0 grains = 2409 FPS
42.0 grains = 2680 FPS (max load)

BL-C(2) 38.0 grains = 2403 FPS
41.0 grains = 2487 FPS (max load)

H380 41.0 grains = 2369 FPS
45.0 grains = 2583 FPS (max load)

There is also data listed for 150 grain bullet for this caliber and if you would also like this data let me know and I will post it for you.



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Posted - 06/30/2006 : 6:06:37 PM
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Airdale
I'd like that data myself. I've just recently got some milsurp ammo that the cases are in bad shape but can use the bullets out of so looking for some extra data. I wish VV would come up with some loads in 6.5 as well as 7.35 as I've had some very good loads with vv140 in different calibers.



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Posted - 06/30/2006 : 6:22:54 PM
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I have also experimented with 150 grainers in the 7.35 - I use 30-30 bullets reduced to .300 in a custom sizer from Lee. ( call in & tell them what you want... 25 bucks & it takes about a month)

Resized Remington 150 roundnose for 30-30 in Grafs Carcano brass trimmed to 51mm. 30.0 grains of AA2520 gave the best accuracy.

All the standard caveats and disclaimers for my reloads in your rifle apply here. SW



airdale
Posted - 07/01/2006 : 1:53:20 PM
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Originally posted by jcjordan
Airdale
I'd like that data myself. I've just recently got some milsurp ammo that the cases are in bad shape but can use the bullets out of so looking for some extra data. I wish VV would come up with some loads in 6.5 as well as 7.35 as I've had some very good loads with vv140 in different calibers.
JC the 150 grain jacketed data from the Lyman 45th edition reloading manual for 7.35 cal is as follows;

IMR4198
29.0 grains = 2188 FPS
33.0 grains = 2506 FPS (max load)

IMR3031
33.0 grains = 2298 FPS
37.0 grains = 2557 FPS (max load)

IMR4895
35.0 grains = 2257 FPS
39.0 grains = 2557 FPS (max load)

IMR4064
35.0 grains = 2222 FPS
39.0 grains = 2469 FPS (max load)

IMR4320
37.0 grains = 2352 FPS
41.0 grains = 2577 FPS (max load)

BL-C(2)
36.0 grains = 2222 FPS
40.0 grains = 2427 FPS (max load)

H380
39.0 grains = 2242 FPS
43.0 grains = 2439 FPS (max load)



jcjordan
Posted - 07/03/2006 : 6:07:37 PM
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Thanks Airdale. I'm still looking for older manuals when I go to larger gunshows but haven't found any yet so I can get data like this.



NebrHogger
Posted - 07/05/2006 : 04:14:44 AM
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Two more good manuals that shouldn't cost a lot are the 1973 Hornady manual and Parker Ackley's 'Pocket Manual for Shooters & Reloaders'.

Both have 7.35 Carcano data. SW
 

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I'm beginning to do a little experiment with 150 grainers in my M38. Has anyone got a promising load in that bullet weight? I'll of course post my results. Thank you in advance?



airdale
Posted - 10/24/2005 : 6:28:01 PM
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My rifle likes 35grs Varget or 37grs IMR4895.



Obsidian
Posted - 10/24/2005 : 11:20:07 PM
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I'm going to use three bullet types actually. #1 will be the 150 gr. Hornady SST. #2 will be the 150 gr. Nosler Ballistic Tip. #3 will be the 150 gr Hornady InterBond. I'm also considering using the 150 gr. Swift Scirocco bullet but I have none at present so that will have to wait. All properly modified to .300" daimeter. I'm going to catalogue accuracy of bullet/powder combinations and do wet phone book media tests to determine shocking power, wound channel development and penetration. This little rifle shoots so well I'm really wanting to shoot a deer with it this year.



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Posted - 10/25/2005 : 12:40:58 AM
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Instead of going to all that trouble, why not just use the Hornady .300 128 grain soft point bullet? I load mine to 2480 fps. I shot a deer last year with it and it worked fine. It was a head on shot at about 100 yards, it hit in the chest, got the heart and went about 2 foot deep ending up in the hip. I have also shot that load at a 5/8 inch thick steel deer target, it's impact crater looks just as big and deep as a .308 150 hunting bullet. The problem with squeezing down a .308 bullet is you do deform the jacket and core. You can have a bullet failure on impact or a flyer now and then, and you KNOW it will happen when the shot really counts! mag



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Posted - 10/25/2005 : 11:55:03 AM
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The main reason is because it's fun. The other is that I like to explore things that maybe haven't been done before. If it doesn't work, then I'll know and I'll use what I had been using, which was a sized down 125 Ballistic Tip. I've shot hundreds of those without any noticable flyers or any other malfunction.

The trouble is part of the fun if you ask me.



GjMan
Posted - 10/28/2005 : 9:21:11 PM
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Try 28.0 IMR 3031. Very accurate in my Cav Carb with DKT 150-grainers. Also, not bad with Hornady .308 150-gr FMJ resized to .300. Mild load.



Obsidian
Posted - 10/29/2005 : 7:06:19 PM
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Thanks Gjman. Although I'm looking for more optimum pressure loads in the 7.35 I'll give yours a try for accuracy.



GjMan
Posted - 10/29/2005 : 10:00:19 PM
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I tried both 29.0 and 30.0 grains of 3031 while working up this load, but 28.0 gave the best accuracy. Your rifle may like the hotter loads better.
 

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Using the hornady bullet and 4320 I get great results!

Even managed to win a "Garand milsurp" match with it!


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Since bullet choices are extremely limited for future I will probably go with the Horn 125gr while it lasts but may have some of the milsurp FMJ depending on how many fire. They all look very good so may not have that many duds. I wish someone would make a copy of the military FMJ as I like the way it looks. With choices limited I may have to find somebody to swage some for me from a .308.


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Nosler's 125 gr. Ballistic Tip swaged to .299 and powered with 39 gr. of IMR3031 is an AWESOME load for the 7.35x52. Accurate and powerful enough to do anything you want to do with a 7.35 rifle.

Edit: 123 gr. FMJ bullets for the 7.62x39 are fantastic swaged down too. I blast steel plates with those out to 300 yards. Cheap and plentiful.

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My rifle with the 123 gr Hornady bullet likes 38 grs. IMR 4895 (start 36grs and max 40grs.). I got this data from the Lyman 45th edition reloading manual. It also list loads for IMR 4198, 3031, 4064, 4320, ball C2 and H380 and also has data for 150 gr. jacketed and 150 gr cast bullets. IF you would like me to make you a copy of the data, let me know.
Lee Precision will make you a .300 dia. bullet sizing die that works in any standard reloading press for $25 plus $4 shipping. This is the same die I use to swage jacketed .308 dia bullets to .300 dia. Just call their customer service and tell them you want to order a .300 dia. bullet sizing kit, it takes 3-4 weeks to receive it.
Make sure you lube the bullets prior to sizing (I use Lee case lube).


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Thanks airdale, I didn't think of my lyman as having loads for it but I've got 47 or 48th ed (I think), will look at it this eve to see. I've not had the best luck with IMR in other calibers but may in this - got to use that 4064 & 4895 somehow
By sizing die your talking something different than the case sizing die?? I've not swaged before nor seen how it's done just heard it here & there in the reloading topics. Any more general info on swaging you could give would be appreciated.
Jeremy did you just develop your load out of the blue from experience or from something like Lymans that had some old data & worked with it from there? As far as IMR, I've used 3031(6.5Car), 4064(several), 4895(several) & 4350(7.5Sw). I've grown to love VV140 for most all my large calibers but haven't found anything yet for my med calibers.

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jc the bullet sizing die from Lee threads on you press just like a case sizing die, just follow the directions that they provide with the kit. You lube the bullet and guide it into the die and pull down on the press handle just like resizing a case only its a bullet, very simple.
The loading data for the 7.35 is not in the newer Lyman manuals only the older one's. If you want a copy of the data from my 45th edition manual PM or email me thru the boards with an address and I will mail you a copy.


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Airdale, I resize 150 grain .308 bullets to .300 for use in my 7.35 Cracano in the same manner as you do. However, I can not do it in a single stroke on the handle. I'm using a RCBS Rockchucker press and have to resize the bullets in several stages by lowering the die to take advantage of the maximum leverage point on the ram and handle. Are you able to resize your bullets with a single stroke? Thanks, Steve

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Originally posted by stevenjay1

Airdale, I resize 150 grain .308 bullets to .300 for use in my 7.35 Cracano in the same manner as you do. However, I can not do it in a single stroke on the handle. I'm using a RCBS Rockchucker press and have to resize the bullets in several stages by lowering the die to take advantage of the maximum leverage point on the ram and handle. Are you able to resize your bullets with a single stroke? Thanks, Steve

Yes steve I can resize the bullet in one stroke if I use Lee case lube. The first bullet takes a little effort but after the die gets well lubed it's just about the same effort as sizing a case. I lube the inside of the die first using a Q-tip then apply the lube to the bullets using my fingers and they zip right through the die.
I use an old Pacific C press so I would think your Rockchucker should size the bullet in one stroke. Are you using a Lee die?




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Airdale Thanks, Yes I am using the Lee Die. But I had it made at .299 to account for a .001" spring back. I generally only lube the bullet and not the die. I also only use the RCBS case lube. I will try to readjust the die and use the Lee lube. I'll see if that helps and let you know. BTW..Airdale, were you in the Navy? Steve


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Steve the Lee lube will probably take care of your problem. I have tried the spray lube made by Hornady and electrical wire pulling lube but the Lee lube works the best. BTW you only need to lube the die once and the lube on the bullets will keep it lubed after that.

Yes I was in the Navy, got out in 1987 after 21 yrs.

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Airdale, I tried the Lee Lube and it did seem to work better but the bench I currently use is not stout enough for the job. Come tomorrow I'll move the RC press to the workbench in the garage and try it there. I took a good look at the inside of the die and it has a bearing surface that is approximately an inch long. Does your die have the same length of bearing surface?

I suspected you might have been in the Navy with a handle like Airdale. I enlisted June of '67 and got out Sept. '71 as an AG2.

Thanks, Steve


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Yes Steve the bearing surface in my die is about the same. What bullet are you using? The Speer 150 gr. flat base spitzer sizes easely and is very accurate in my rifle.

Are you still a weather guesser? I got out as an ADCS.


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Airdale, I have been using the 150 gr. Hornady and I think the jackets must be thicker then the Speer's. I had one of the 150 grain Speer bullets left and it went through the Lee die with much less effort then the Hornady. Compared to the Hornady it was a hot knife trough warm butter. I'll pick up a box of the Speer bullets at the local shop today. Thank for the help on this.

I didn't pursue a career as a weather guesser after I left the Navy but my wife has always been interested in Metrology so I was able to share my knowledge with her. I came very close to making the Navy my career after I graduated for college in '75 but I flunked the physical due to hearing loss in my right ear. By '75 the Navy was well if not over staffed and they could be picky. Oh well, what is meant to be is meant to be. Steve


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I too use a Lee die to swage down .308 bullets. I've found the Hornady 150 grain FMJs seem to have a softer lead core than many others, and are easier to run thru the die.


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Gjman, The Hornady bullets I was using were the 150 grain flat base soft point. I have not tried the Hornady FMJ bullets. I did take a trip to my local gun shop this afternoon and picked up a box or 150 grain soft point flat base .308 bullets and they were much easier to resize then the Hornady bullets. In fact, the difference was night and day. The only thing I can think of is the jacket on the Hornady FMJ bullets is thin since you are not worried about bullet performance other then to hit the target and put a hole through it. This is in contrast to a soft point that is required to expand while still retaining it weight. As for the hardness/softness on the lead I suspect both types of bullets use soft lead cores but I’m not 100% positive about it. FWIW, I believe it is the thickness of the jacket that determines the difficulty of resizing rather then the lead core. Steve

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Has anyone worked with Varget in the 7.35?
 

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With the Hornady 123gr bullet my rifle likes 38grs IMR4895 and for the 150gr bullet it likes 35grs Varget.

If you would like the reloading data from my Lyman 45th reloading manual email me a mailing address through the boards and I will mail you a copy.


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I can appreciate the 'accuracy for the budget-minded' comment! A good move for this caliber is to call Lee and order a .300 custom bullet sizing die. With that, you can use 30-30 bullets that are normally not too expensive. I shoot several 30-30s & buy hard cast, gas checked bullets for them. The 150 grainers seem to work best in my Marlins & 303 Savs.

Once you send in the 25.00 + postage for the die, it will take about a month to get it. Then, you use the liquid lube to further grease the cast bullets & size them down.

With this bullet and a 2.75 COAL, I had good accuracy using 30.0 of AA2520 ans 32.0/ IMR 3031. Both loads clocked very close to 2000 fps from my M38 FC.

You get up & running, I have accurate data for the 150 grain Rem 30-30 bullet available from Midway or Grafs.

All the standard disclaimers & caveats apply here, of course! SW

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My best loads for this caliber wer:
1. IMR4064, 38.5 gr., Hornady 123 gr. bullet, Winchester LR primers, Graf reformed 6.5 brass, <2.760" OAL, <2.015" TTL .
2. IMR3031, 36.0 gr., pulled 7.35 128 gr. milsurp bullet, CCI 200 LR primer, Graf reformed 6.5 brass, <2.890" OAL, <2.005" TTL.
Hope this helps. Use at your considered discretion.


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Thanks all...airdale, PM sent.

Also, have you guys seen the January 2, 2006 edition of Shotgun news? It has an article on the loads for the 7.35 Carcano.
 

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Ciccio
Posted - 06/28/2006 : 12:55:16 PM
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Excuse me please , 'cause may be an old and discussed subject , but I need a tip in reloading this cartridge using formed brass from 6.5 Carcano and Hornady 128 grains bullet . Here in Italy the most available powders are from Vihtavuori and I'd better data such related . I am going to start with 36 grains of N 140 or 35 grains of N135.All data and tips are wellcome. Thanks!



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Ciccio I have data using the Hornady 128 grain bullet with the following powders, IMR4198, IMR3031, IMR4895, IMR4064, IMR4320, BL-C(2) and H380. If you would like the data using any of the listed powder let me know and I will post it for you.



Ciccio
Posted - 06/30/2006 : 02:12:36 AM
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Hello! I collect every kind of reloadin data so I'like yours.
Thank you very much!



airdale
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Ciccio the following data is from the Lyman 45th edition reloading manual for 7.35 cal. using 128 grain Hornady bullet.

IMR4198 31.0 grains = 2463 FPS
35.0 grains = 2710 FPS (max load)

IMR3031 34.0 grains = 2364 FPS
38.0 grains = 2672 fps (max load)

IMR4895 36.0 grains = 2415 FPS
40.0 grains = 2604 FPS (max load)

IMR4064 36.0 grains = 2272 FPS
40.0 grains = 2544 FPS (max load)

IMR4320 38.0 grains = 2409 FPS
42.0 grains = 2680 FPS (max load)

BL-C(2) 38.0 grains = 2403 FPS
41.0 grains = 2487 FPS (max load)

H380 41.0 grains = 2369 FPS
45.0 grains = 2583 FPS (max load)

There is also data listed for 150 grain bullet for this caliber and if you would also like this data let me know and I will post it for you.



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Airdale

I'd like that data myself. I've just recently got some milsurp ammo that the cases are in bad shape but can use the bullets out of so looking for some extra data. I wish VV would come up with some loads in 6.5 as well as 7.35 as I've had some very good loads with vv140 in different calibers.



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I have also experimented with 150 grainers in the 7.35 - I use 30-30 bullets reduced to .300 in a custom sizer from Lee. ( call in & tell them what you want... 25 bucks & it takes about a month)

Resized Remington 150 roundnose for 30-30 in Grafs Carcano brass trimmed to 51mm. 30.0 grains of AA2520 gave the best accuracy.

All the standard caveats and disclaimers for my reloads in your rifle apply here. SW



airdale
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Originally posted by jcjordan
Airdale
I'd like that data myself. I've just recently got some milsurp ammo that the cases are in bad shape but can use the bullets out of so looking for some extra data. I wish VV would come up with some loads in 6.5 as well as 7.35 as I've had some very good loads with vv140 in different calibers.
JC the 150 grain jacketed data from the Lyman 45th edition reloading manual for 7.35 cal is as follows;

IMR4198
29.0 grains = 2188 FPS
33.0 grains = 2506 FPS (max load)

IMR3031
33.0 grains = 2298 FPS
37.0 grains = 2557 FPS (max load)

IMR4895
35.0 grains = 2257 FPS
39.0 grains = 2557 FPS (max load)

IMR4064
35.0 grains = 2222 FPS
39.0 grains = 2469 FPS (max load)

IMR4320
37.0 grains = 2352 FPS
41.0 grains = 2577 FPS (max load)

BL-C(2)
36.0 grains = 2222 FPS
40.0 grains = 2427 FPS (max load)

H380
39.0 grains = 2242 FPS
43.0 grains = 2439 FPS (max load)



jcjordan
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Thanks Airdale. I'm still looking for older manuals when I go to larger gunshows but haven't found any yet so I can get data like this.



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Two more good manuals that shouldn't cost a lot are the 1973 Hornady manual and Parker Ackley's 'Pocket Manual for Shooters & Reloaders'.

Both have 7.35 Carcano data. SW
 

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Discussion Starter #18 (Edited)
Commercial 7,35x51mm reloads

terni38
Posted - 10/17/2006 : 10:57:35 PM
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I've shot about 80 rounds through recently acquired 7.35 Calvary carbine, having a great time... bought ammo from SEF Sports, GadCustom Cartridges, and Bob Shell from Surplus Rifle.com. All three guys producing great handloaded ammo for the 7.35, priced from about $15.00 - $25.00 per box of 20.



trickyrick
Posted - 11/12/2006 : 7:13:49 PM
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was using cabela's obsolete ammo. shot close to point of aim at 100 yrds w/130 gr bullet. then shot some hand loads from bob shell, they use a 125 gr bullet. had to put front post in bottom of vee and shoot low to hit poa. all in all i had 4" groupings w/ it w/ either ammo. having never shot it b4 i am pretty happy w/ it.
 

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Gauging interest - Pulled 7.35mm projectiles

K. Funk
Posted - 01/12/2007 : 8:29:12 PM
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I may have a lead on some 7.35mm projectiles pulled from military rounds. 0.299" 129gr nickel colored FMJ's with no pull marks. I think I can do these for $14 per hundred plus shipping. Any interest? Let me know.

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krf

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Discussion Starter #20
New Hornady 7,35mm Bullets?

pelican
Posted - 03/30/2007 : 9:23:18 PM
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I've got the 6th edition of Hornady's Handbook of Cartridge Reloading.
It only has the data for 6.5 Carcano and not for 7.35. I noticed that
a post below mentioned Hornady reloading data for 7.35--is this info
in a later edition?



airdale
Posted - 03/31/2007 : 07:25:09 AM
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I called Hornady and spoke with a rep. about data on their 7.35 bullet and was told that the bullet was made on contract for Graf's and was not one of their standard offerings. I don't have the new 7th edition so I don't know if the 7.35 was added or not. The older Lyman manuals #44 and 45 has 7.35 data as does the older Hornady #2 manual. I have used data from all of these older manuals with modern powder and have not had any problems. If you would like the data from these older manuals PM me a mailing address and I will make you a copy and mail them to you.
 
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