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In case you haven't read the announcement (the one that is hard to miss, at the top of each page) the old message base will not be moved to our new home here. It will be up to us, the members, to rebuild the forum.

I have moved a few items that were stickies. This new format has some restrictions on the number of pictures per post and length of posts that we didn't have before. When trying to move Stephen Camp's post on the Defensive Makarov, I discovered the picture limit; North Bender discovered a problem with the "OAL" of messages when re-creating his ammo thread. Also, the pictures in the threads I was able to move are not the original size, as only the thumbnails were saved in the old forum.

What each of us can do:

  • Some of you may have saved stickies or other important data and pictures, or perhaps you were the original poster. Please consider sharing that with us here by posting it, giving credit where due.
  • Petition those members who contributed info to please repost it. (Stephen Camp's post comes to mind, I hope he still has the pics. It likely will be necessary for him to break it up into several posts.)
  • Mine the old forum for nuggets worthy of reposting. There are 141 pages of posts there at 50 posts per page. Obviously a small percentage of these would be candidates for moving to the new forums--only posts with factual data, gunsmithing tricks, etc., need be moved. It's not necessary to move stuff like a gun show report or "new member" or "new Mak" posts. This is too big a job for one or two members. But if say, 20 folks volunteered, an organizer could assign seven pages to each participant to review and copy worthy posts to the new forum. As a bonus, those of you who fret about post counts would have an instant boost to same.
These are just some ideas off the top of my "Monday morning sinus infected" head. Feel free to add any ideas you may have or tweak those above.

Above all, let's rebuild the forum here to the same great resource it was at our old home.

Thanks,
SlimTim
 

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Yes, time is of the essence, but the 48 hour availability applies to our short-lived home at http://www.gunboards.com/forums/

We'll supposedly have 2 or 3 weeks to mine the home where we resided from August of 2003 to mid-August 2007. (Originally it was said to be 6 months when we made the first move, now it's down to just a couple of weeks.) Amazingly, the Makarov forum has almost all the posts still there, they go back to September 1, 2003. The link for these old Snitz 2000 forums is http://old.gunboards.com/

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Easiest way I've found is to click on the Printer Friendly button for the post you want to copy, then cut and paste. If the post is over one page, it'll take a post per page unless you paste it all into one page.

Here's an example. It's not perfect, there are no pics, but it works.

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Bulgarian Black Sea Navy Makarov

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Topic URL: http://old.gunboards.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=240435
Printed on: 09/10/2007

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Topic author: Dodging Bullets
Subject: Bulgarian Black Sea Navy Makarov
Posted on: 08/06/2007 4:27:40 PM
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How many of you guys out there actually have one of these? I saw the one Warbird had listed a few months ago but was ignorant this variant existed. How many were imported? What is the going price if you can actually find one? Can you post some pics if you have one. Any additional information would be appreciated. I'd love to have one but rarely see one for sale. Thanks

DB

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Reply author: o b juan
Replied on: 08/06/2007 5:22:07 PM
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ME too


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Reply author: SlimTim
Replied on: 08/06/2007 7:44:42 PM
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SOG sold the dozen they had for about $225 IIRC. Tennessean? You recall? Tennessean was kind enough to put me in one at cost.

The ones PW Arms imported went for double that if I recall, due to an "enterprising individual" handling the sale of these.

SlimTim


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Reply author: TENNESSEEAN
Replied on: 08/06/2007 8:16:45 PM
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Originally posted by Dodging Bullets

How many of you guys out there actually have one of these?
I saw the one Warbird had listed a few months ago but was ignorant this variant existed. How many were imported? What is the going price if you can actually find one? Can you post some pics if you have one. Any additional information would be appreciated. I'd love to have one but rarely see one for sale. Thanks

DB

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How many of you guys out there actually have one of these? There's a few around, I just know of 3 that I've seen.
How many were imported? That depends on whose story you beleive, one SOG rep. reported they got a dozen but then another said it was @18. These were all Century imports. Dan got @24, again depends on the story and I don't think Dan ever said. These were all PW Arms imports.
What is the going price if you can actually find one? Don't really and don't know what the one that was posted by Warbird sold for. They sold in the 200-400 dollar range when SOG and Dan had them.
Can you post some pics if you have one. I have some pics but can't find them and don't want to dig through the safe to make any new one's.
Actual information (supported information) there's very little, they're Bulgarian and there's no certain years or serial numbers. They're random. When they first showed up there was a lot of speculation on what they were and why they were chromed with the Black Sea Navy story being the most accepted but I don't think anyone really knows.
They vary in condition but most appear to be well used and they vary from all chrome to ones with blued hammers, safeties and trigers and combinations of the three. I don't recall any having chromed mags and there was some mysterious black star grips that showed up.
I'm sure others will chime in but this is my version.



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Reply author: logansdad
Replied on: 08/06/2007 8:34:34 PM
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I seem to recall acquiring one from that "enterprising individual" that SlimTim is referring to. It's about the only good thing that can be told regarding said individual.

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Reply author: TENNESSEEAN
Replied on: 08/06/2007 9:42:47 PM
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LD, I remember that now and you're probably right, thanks for posting the pic. saved me having to dig one out.

ST, that's pretty close shipping and all.


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Reply author: Dodging Bullets
Replied on: 08/07/2007 04:46:14 AM
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Thanks for all the input guys. I appreciate the information.

DB


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Reply author: makarovdotcom
Replied on: 08/07/2007 10:49:05 AM
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It was confirmed that there were some Makarov's produced by the Bulgarians for issue to their Black Sea naval forces, via my Bulgarian Contact at Arsenal. That is where the "Black Sea Navy" name came from. As originally issued they had all Chromed parts, including the magazine floorplates, and the Grips were solid black versions of the "Red Star" Military issue grip. As I recall, there were about 40 total of these imported into the USA that has been confirmed, SOG claimed to have had an even Dozen, PW Arms had around 20 - 22 that were originally sold by Dans Ammo, and later by a third party, and Century had another 8 or so at one point. I have handled / Inspected about 25 or so over the last few years, and they all had the Black Grips, and at least one chromed Magazine floorplate with the pistol. All of the pistols sold by Dans (and a few sold by Makarov.com, that we got from Dans) had the PW Arms Import markings, not sure what markings the SOG pistols had, have never confirmed anyone getting one from them. The CAI pistols of course had the CAI import billboard, and those tended to suffer the most as far as the Chrome plating goes, both that I have seen were pretty badly chipped and pealing starting at the Import stamping. At some point someone oh here had posted a picture of some Bulgarian Navy officers standing around, and one of them was wearing a Black Holster, very much like the Russian navel issue holster. If anyone has a copy of that pic, please post it here, I can't find mine.

-George


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Reply author: TENNESSEEAN
Replied on: 08/08/2007 11:37:52 PM
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Here's one of three that came from SOG. It's a century import and all parts are cromed. Didn't come with the black star grips though just the regular import grips.
By the way George none of these three have any issues with the chrome flaking or peeling.

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Reply author: CW
Replied on: 08/10/2007 11:14:13 PM
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I had a chance to buy one from a fellow board member a few years back. Was talking to my FFL and was all good till I said it was chromed. State of Kalifornia won't allow chromed Bulgarians because they haven't been tested on the drop test; only blued CAI imports are allowed!

Socialism... don't let it happen to your state!!


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Reply author: Parisite
Replied on: 08/10/2007 11:47:04 PM
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Geeez CW, seems like your FFL was looking for a reason NOT to get the gun shipped. That's getting pretty darn picky.


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Reply author: CW
Replied on: 08/11/2007 7:57:40 PM
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Originally posted by Parisite

Geeez CW, seems like your FFL was looking for a reason NOT to get the gun shipped. That's getting pretty darn picky.

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What pistols they allow into this state is set by CADOJ and is very specific, down to finish, caliber and barrel length. It's not my dealers fault, as he's helped me DROS a few East German and Soviet Maks (exempt because they are C&R).


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Reply author: Steve M
Replied on: 08/12/2007 11:19:14 AM
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Pulled this out of the "Gun Pile".

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Reply author: Timbo
Replied on: 08/12/2007 1:08:31 PM
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Pulled this out of the "Gun Pile".

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Steve, is that yours??? If you are at the next Indy 1500 show, I would love to fondle it. Could that be arranged? It is good to hear from you on the forum. Busy man!


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Reply author: Steve M
Replied on: 08/12/2007 2:37:47 PM
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Steve, is that yours??? If you are at the next Indy 1500 show, I would love to fondle it. Could that be arranged? It is good to hear from you on the forum. Busy man!
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Sure, We can arrange that. When is the next show ?


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Reply author: Dave Baird
Replied on: 08/12/2007 9:56:38 PM
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Nice looking Mak!!


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Reply author: Dodging Bullets
Replied on: 08/13/2007 02:06:22 AM
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Those are some nice pics. Well I guess that accounts for a few of the handful that were brought in. Do you guys that own them ever take them out to the range or are they safe queens? Just curious.


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Reply author: TENNESSEEAN
Replied on: 08/13/2007 11:04:33 PM
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I've shot one of them a few times, probably 2 mags full just to see if it was ok. Typical bulgie results. The other one I haven't fired but it has been used in the past. I've taken both of them to several shows for others to look at, speculate on and get their opinion about them, the chroming etc.
I do have some safe queens Arsenal, Miltex SE, Simson Suhl, Norinco Chineese etc. that are new then some that aren't new but still reside in the safe.
 

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I wish I was flattered with an overwhelming response of volunteers to help. As is, nothing is getting saved, I've had zero, zip, zilch, nada responses.

I re-did a couple of posts tonight, but it's heck on dialup, and I have a couple more forums to tend to also. On the 12 round Mag post I re-did, the pics will soon go to the ether unless someone can volunteer to copy, save and post them on their webhosting space somewhere.

The track record at gunboards is when they say an older version of the forums will be around for xx days, you take 1/10 of that usually. We've seen the intermediate forum (8/16/07 to 9/8/07) has already gone away forever. I suspect the old forums won't last the 2 weeks we were "promised."

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Bender, Wrangler did a great job, I think I used the same format but didn't take time to edit out the extras. This can be revisited after the archive is gone or everything we want is x-ferred. (Ha!)

Bullets & all, I have no idea what all is in those 7,000+ posts, but I imagine a minority of them, maybe 10% at the most, were good enough that they should be saved as a reference. What each of us thinks should be saved may differ a bit, that's OK. My frustration is that going through 7,000+ posts is too big a job for one, two or even three folks. And if an organized approach isn't undertaken, the posts that are moved will be just the stuff from the most recent postings that's still on our minds.

I guess it's unrealistic to expect or hope for 10 or 20 folks to say "I'll take pages 1 through 10" or "I'll take pages 51-57" or whatever. I wish I could do it myself, but I can't.

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I have found it to be pretty tedious, but important nonetheless. :) I'm not sure of a quicker way, but two things to consider. 1 - copy the text for now, maybe leave in the placeholders where the pics are supposed to go. 2 - then go back and get the pics. The links won't work to the full sized pics. If you right click on each thumbnail and check "properties" it will give you the correct URL to the original sized pic. It's pretty close, just change "www" in the url to "old", and also delete "forums/" if I recall correctly.

There isn't much sense in copying the pics and uploading them via the forum upload function, each user is only allocated so much web space for pics. It wouldn't be fair to expect anyone helping copy those old posts to use up their own web space here on the forums for the pics. Perhaps someone out there who knows their way around the free pic hosting sites can point us to a common location to park these pics. Then the posts will need to be edited with correct links to the pics. Better yet, perhaps someone may have their own website and have space they don't use/need?

You're right. It's A LOT of WORK! Hopefully, this platform we are fortunate to be using now, vBulletin, has a history of being continously supported by it's authors and is likely to be with us for a long time to come. (Crossing fingers.)

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Hi MikeR,

Super, thanks! I don't really know that anyone has staked a claim to any certain pages. Perhaps Bullets and you can work it out so that nothing is duplicated. Perhaps start at the end and work backwards? My thinking there is the oldest stuff is the most forgotten. :) I'm hoping that I will have some time to copy as well, I'm tied up through Saturday this week, so perhaps I can do some damage also, starting Sunday.

SlimTim
 
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