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Rifle is a 25th series, ground, matching with original grease in the bolt. The stock has been lightly refinished a light tan color and varnished/shellaced on both metal and wood. The blue was removed from all metal surfaces except the striker and the varnish/shellac gave the metal a bronze appearance. Under the shellac/varnish, extending from the butt to immediately behind the rear band is:

"JAPANESE RIFLE CALIBER 31 FROM DISARMED TROOPS OF NAGASAKI JAPAN CITY BLASTED BY THE SECOND ATOMIC BOMB AUG 8 1945. SHORTLY AFTER THIS LAND OF THE RISING SUN SUFFERED A TOTAL ECLIPSE. LETS MAKE SURE SHE NEVER RISES MILITARISTICLY AGAIN!"

The cap. letters, all in red, are 3/4" high and very well done. The rifle without the "history" would be less than $200. The seller thought the metal had been "bronzed" and that figured into the price. When I received the rifle and realized what the metal finish was I informed the seller and his answer was "Pay me what you think is fair."

That puts me in one hell of a bind. The rifle is from an old collection and I don't doubt the authenticity of the "history." But how much does the history add to the value of a $150-$200 rifle? Don't tell me "whatever it's worth to you." I told the seller I would post this on the Board and give him an average of your estimates. Your help with this is appreciated.
 

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You guys are something. One can fake "bring back" papers which many of you lust after(original lost in a fire, but here is a copy.) , or over the years I've been offered many originals that were seperated from their bring-back rifles, etc., stamp "Peleleu, Gene Sledge, Sledgehammer" on a stock, etc. The rifle in question was purchased years ago when an added notation on a stock added no value. I guess it comes down to whether you have an interest in history or just a "pretty" rifle.

Sometime back I posted a question on the value of a rifle brought back from Iwo by Ivan Prall, Banzai member and writer of an article on the last Banzai on Iwo for "WW II Magazine." Ivan was there from the 2nd or 3rd day on, he has an article in this month's B'ZAI on Japanese weapons on Iwo. The rifle had wrench marks on the receiver and a mm bolt. Think the highest est. was $150-$175. I'd been trying to get one of his Iwo rifles for years, he sent home four, sporterized two. He finally sold me the one with wrench marks and the mm bolt, said to send him what I thought it was worth. Before I asked my question I had $350 in mind, that's what I paid despite the low estimates/ideas I received on this Board. Feel like I shorted him.

The Iwo rifle is a long handguard Howa, grenade fragments in the stock which damaged the original bolt so Ivan pulled one from a discarded rifle. A cartridge was partially jammed in the chamber so the barrel was removed on Iwo by an ordnance person. It and my Tarawa rifle are priceless to me, the Tarawa rifle came from the son of the Marine who picked it up as he left the island. Different strokes for different folks, I guess.
 

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The only way a "bring back" paper is worth extra money is if it has the rifles serial number on it or, you can track down the vet who brought it back from the name on the paper as was done with the 38 carbine reported in B'zai a few years back, or there are other circumstances as noted below. Otherwise it could be one of those bring back papers I've been offered at shows. Just as easily put a loose bring back paper with a rifle and raise the price. Without being too far off, when I was one of the few displaying Japanese rifles at Birmingham back in the 80s, early 90s I was probably offered a loose bring back paper at one show in three. Those papers went somewhere!

I bought Bill Taylor's rifle in the ship home box with bring back papers, no rifle number, but the paper was from Yokosuka, had been in a Navy envelope and the rifle has a round Japanese Navy (anchor with a character over the anchor "shaft") nailed to the butt. Rifle is unground, but vet "pretted up" the stock, a.k.a refinished. So guess it's a $100 or so rifle and I paid several hundred too much. My son has three rifles in the ship home box and this will be for his Christmas, no regrets as to what I paid. As I said, different strokes for different folks.

As to the subject of this post, the seller has now offered me the rifle for $150, I think that is too low, will have to come up a price since I can't rely on you "Doubting Thomas's."
 

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Okiedokee, You only get cookies if you bring the dried squid that looks like a run-over/stomped frog. None of that ground up, cookie crumb crap you brought last year. Rodent48
 

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Didn't see the 4-5 posts between Okiedokees and my last. As I said, different strokes...

Last year (?) ran across a decently priced, actually underpriced Type I at a small Tulsa show, tag said from Attu. Several dealers were friendly with the dealer selling the I and I talked to a couple who said he was an "Honest Abe." Talked to him about the I's history (would have purchased for resale without history.) From what he told me I have no doubt it DID come from an anti-aircraft emplacement on Attu. Documentation?, I ain't got no stinking documentation other than the story above which I put in B'zai for future reference for whoever ends up with the rifle when I'm on the brown side of the grass. They, like Ripley, can believe it or not. The I is now with my "Known location" rifles and referenced to the B'zai "article".

But, my fellow collectors, with WW II vets dropping like flys it's worth asking about a rifles history when you buy. History is worth preserving even if it is word of mouth, if it is recorded as such.
 

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Tain't Japanese related, guess it is since it kept B'ZAI going, but after Ruth's split with her hubby her sister told her she would have to kiss a lot of frogs before she found her prince.
When she was visiting a castle in Austria there was a flattrened frog (dried) in the parking area. She scooped him into an envelope and sent it to her sis in Houston with a note, "I found the prince, but it was too late." Sis spray painted the lil fellow gold, framed it and sent it back to her at Christmas. Frogs have been a source of merryment within their family since then.

When I decided I was tired of living alone, I looked at the "Partners Wanted" section in one of the B'ham papers. Under "Men seeking Women" there were all types of headings, "Handsome Young Stud," "Trustworthy Male," "Honest and Dependable..."etc. At 61 years young, the "Handsome Stud" just didn't seem to fit. So my ad read something like the following, "ARTHRITIC OLD FROG, 61 years young, retired, home owner, interests include Japanese militaria and Miatas, would like to meet attractive woman is the same age bracket for that one sweet kiss to turn me into an arthritic old prince." I had 42 responses.

Someone at Ruth's office saw the ad, knew about Ruth's family thing with frogs and called her attention to the ad. After two weeks of "should I call or shouldn't I" she did and as Paul H says, "And now you know the rest of the story."

Except, without Ruth, I would have let BANZAI go several years back, and finding someone to take it on and keep it going takes that special person, i.e. FOOL! It's like the albatross around the Ancient Mariner's neck, it has to be mailed once a month, rain or shine, and you plan your month around getting the master completed, printed, folded/stapled and the copies mailed. And Ruth never did get her prince, just asks her, just another frog!
 
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