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All shippers suck right now. I sent a USPS money order Priority Mail it sat at a distribution center for 4 days and arrived 5 days late.

On the return trip the rifle I bought has been stuck in a UPS center for 3 days with no movement

I had a Krag stock broke in half by USPS and it took almost 6 months to go through the system and they denied the claim
USPS insurance is a racket on a RICO scale. I’ve never heard of ANYONE collecting them n an insurance claim through the post office.
 

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I work at the post office (as a carrier) and got a look at the rules for shipping firearms. You can ship rifles with a C&R license NO PROBLEM. However, C&R pistols can be a problem depending on your post master. In the book, it specifically states that a C&R holder CANNOT ship a pistol through the USPS but in parentheses it states that it is permitted by the ATF. So the rules contradict one another. Depending on the post master, they will either say that it's allowed or not.

I was one of those people that thought you could not ship pistols through the postal system, and that it had to go via UPS or FedEx overnight. Once I got my C&R license, I found out that you can - dependent on how anal your post master is.
 

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I usually ship via UPS as ammo is verboten, but was mailing USPS stuff and asked the counter person. No problem at all, though didn’t ask about handguns. Think I will still use UPS, though.
 

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I usually ship via UPS as ammo is verboten, but was mailing USPS stuff and asked the counter person. No problem at all, though didn’t ask about handguns. Think I will still use UPS, though.
I should also add that I currently have a pistol lost in the USPS system. Yeah! I am hoping that its because of the holiday rush, it is coming from out east and their sorting facilities can get really over whelmed out there. Still not happy.
 

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You need to speak to a Supervisor and have them look up the actual rules the only time You need to show a copy of FFL License is if Your shipping a HAND GUN . You do not need tell them whats in the Box if they ask Lie or don't answer .
I just shipped Rifle a couple weeks ago and had no issues . As I said if the Counter Person refuses tell them you want to see their Supervisor and if he/she refuses tell them to look up the actual rule and show it to You . Many of the Tellers don't` have a clue of what the rules are . So they will just make up shit as it comes to mind .IDIOT LIBERAL mostly
 

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Two small town post offices, both just brought in a new female post master. At the one which I have shipped many times from it was the usual counter guy. Gave him the details and information and he disappeared into the back (read, went to the new boss). Came back out with "no can do". I politely, yes politely, explained the regulations and rules to them but they have their own agendas so........I have another option and will, in the future, head in that direction with a longtime friend who has a thriving gun shop.

Problem is now there is nothing left. Lost it all today while out on a local bass lake which is several thousand feet deep at the shallowest point. Fortunately, a friend caught the disaster. I now have no c&r license and no longer have any firearms. This is just another subtle infraction that is being sprung on the citizens as a roundabout method of putting an end to the activity. Slowly but surely the socialist big government camel is getting its nose further and further under the tent flap.

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I work at the post office (as a carrier) and got a look at the rules for shipping firearms. You can ship rifles with a C&R license NO PROBLEM. However, C&R pistols can be a problem depending on your post master. In the book, it specifically states that a C&R holder CANNOT ship a pistol through the USPS but in parentheses it states that it is permitted by the ATF. So the rules contradict one another. Depending on the post master, they will either say that it's allowed or not.

I was one of those people that thought you could not ship pistols through the postal system, and that it had to go via UPS or FedEx overnight. Once I got my C&R license, I found out that you can - dependent on how anal your post master is.
As far as I'm concerned, you HIT the nail directly on the head......I say nothing!.....Depends on how ANAL your postmaster is!
 

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I have had a rather aggravating morning. I have been to two different post offices and the refuse to ship a c&r eligible firearm for me. They state they no longer accept a copy of the ffl, they must have an original. They also will only do ffl dealer to ffl dealer. I told them there is no way on God's green earth that an ffl holder is giving them an original of the license either. This would potentially make having a c&r license a lot less handy. Anybody else have any problem in the past few days? I think this just snuck out last week.
yeah, there just lying to you cause their anti-gunners that run the place by their own rules. i had same problem with a PO they told me the same sick and i told them by their rules anyone can ship a long or shotgun USPS and that they had the right to look inside to make sure no ammo was inside but that was it. dealer FFL's are only needed for shipping pistols nothing else. they didn't care PO i used where shipments came to me after i showed them their rules and that i could ship long guns USPS LEAGALLY they were good enough to do the right thing.
what you need to do is print off their rules for long guns and shotgun shopping and make them read it or turn them into the post master general.

just to show what idiots some of them are i purchased a tin of ammo from they guy and was waiting for UPS to show up anti came USPS and the box was busted in one corner and still they didn't catch it. waited the next few days for cops to show up at my home but they didn't
 

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I have had a rather aggravating morning. I have been to two different post offices and the refuse to ship a c&r eligible firearm for me. They state they no longer accept a copy of the ffl, they must have an original. They also will only do ffl dealer to ffl dealer. I told them there is no way on God's green earth that an ffl holder is giving them an original of the license either. This would potentially make having a c&r license a lot less handy. Anybody else have any problem in the past few days? I think this just snuck out last week.
I recently experienced the same issues and finally went to the UPS hub to ship. IMO the United States Postal Service is falling apart. Their facility near me was designed in 1970 and is totally obsolete to handle the modern population. It is run by temporary staff who look like they have battle fatigue. I have to give them credit that they can actually get something delivered!
 

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I suspect that you need to have a conversation with the Post Master. I believe you ran into a rouge agent behind the window. But, you can make sure by talking to the guy in charge.. If he is the problem, then ask for documentation from the Post Master General that supports his claim. Then your decision to escalate or not to escalate will be known. I know of no changes in the USPS guidelines though. I use click-n-ship. They come to the door and pick up the package during normal delivery times, scan it and say thank you...No extra charge either.
 

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I have had a rather aggravating morning. I have been to two different post offices and the refuse to ship a c&r eligible firearm for me. They state they no longer accept a copy of the ffl, they must have an original. They also will only do ffl dealer to ffl dealer. I told them there is no way on God's green earth that an ffl holder is giving them an original of the license either. This would potentially make having a c&r license a lot less handy. Anybody else have any problem in the past few days? I think this just snuck out last week.
I used USPS for many years, but no more. In the last 1 & 1/2 they lost 2 expensive rifles on me that were only recovered after a lot of complaining and filing insurance claims on them. Also, their tracking system stopped working both times after the rifles left the local post office. I asked them why have a tracking system if it doesn't work??? I got no intelligent replies, just dumb looks.
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I have had a rather aggravating morning. I have been to two different post offices and the refuse to ship a c&r eligible firearm for me. They state they no longer accept a copy of the ffl, they must have an original. They also will only do ffl dealer to ffl dealer. I told them there is no way on God's green earth that an ffl holder is giving them an original of the license either. This would potentially make having a c&r license a lot less handy. Anybody else have any problem in the past few days? I think this just snuck out last week.
Have the PO people print you out current copy REGs from the manual,,when I worked the window (retired 12 yrs) I always had a copy in my drawer to show the new clerks---"yes they can ship guns--read"
 

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I have never had a problem shipping firearms C&R to C&R or C&R to Gun shop except once when the USPS lost a pistol for almost a week. I did however have a problem when I shipped a non gun related item that I insured for 400 bucks. When it got where it was going it was damaged beyond repair so I filed on the insurance and they refused to pay off, saying it must have been damaged by the recipient when they opened it. I had photos of the box before it was opened, clearly showing the damage. They didnt care. i go strictly UPS now. Couple bucks more but no problems.
 

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I have had a rather aggravating morning. I have been to two different post offices and the refuse to ship a c&r eligible firearm for me. They state they no longer accept a copy of the ffl, they must have an original. They also will only do ffl dealer to ffl dealer. I told them there is no way on God's green earth that an ffl holder is giving them an original of the license either. This would potentially make having a c&r license a lot less handy. Anybody else have any problem in the past few days? I think this just snuck out last week.
I had a similar experience in Dubuque, Iowa a few years back. The "satellite" post office wouldn't accept the firearms needing to be shipped. So we had to go to the main hub and the guy there just said "yep, there's a form there for shipping firearms." Funny thing was, I had moved to NC from IA, returned for a visit and the pistols (black powder cartridge) were gifted to me from an old friend. They still had to ship to my FFL here in NC but there was no problem once we went to the hub. That could be the problem. I've learned satellite POs are much different than a main PO, like U-Haul set up at a gas station vs. a U-Haul center.
 

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UPS delivered my new old rifle two days earlier than estimated. Was Weds, showed up today. UPS for the win!
 

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Well, the whole saga has come to a conclusion with the buyer receiving the item in perfect condition. I now have a new method that will work just fine. May take a day or two longer but at least it works and saves a lot of headaches plus dealing with counter folks and new post mistresses who just don't know. I have had bad experiences with UPS in having beat to hell packages left on my front porch in the past. Knock on wood.......taps bald head several times......that has not happened with the postal services. Another lesson learned.
 
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