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my RC/Port-K98k's
Cole's #16561 Waffenampts #'s 655,135,135 on receiver, 655 655 on barrel.
Cole's(bought from allansarmory) #19129,Waffenampts #'s 135,135,135 on receiver. 135 135 on barrel.
G16561 receiver 655 135 135, barrel WaA655 WaA655
G19129 receiver 135 135 135, barrel WaA135 WaA135
Well Hambone I decided to get off my lazy hind quarters and provide my input.I bought this rifle in an estate sale about 20 years ago.It is not an import marked rifle.It is 100% matching in very good shape.From the PICs you will see that the number on the reciever is slightly different in style compared to the one on the barrel.Also if you look close you will see the remains of an old number under the number on the barrel.Also the date on the barrel is 39.
I contacted who I consider an authority on this,Mr Pisgah.Great guy.After a few exchanges of email he asked me to look for a paticular marking on the barrel just in front of the reiever.He said look for a 0.2 mark.From my PICs you will see that mark.Accordind to him this mark indicates a rebarreling by a German military armorer.I feel very confident that this is a genuine German used rifle because of the 0.2 mark and the serial number range.HTH
Ukn use, G6552, No import mark, matching but with a wrist repair on the stock. Not Russian captured weapon.
ADDENDUM; After a more through exam in GOOD light I will say this was German used. In addition to the H stamp in the butt are two WaA135 eagles directly below.
Thanks P3. The more examples the have, the more we may see a pattern. Your rifle falls squarely between RC's, which of course, we know are German used! This may help us ID rifles as German used which we may not have known before. My Port. is definitely NOT German used, but there are those out there (like you) that may have them that really could not have known for sure previously. The German used rifles would have come in with vets, early import, or RC. The Port., came in batches from Portugal. Until now, with the RC's, we had no definitive way to ID ranges. Thanks for your input and congrats on what sounds like a nice historical rifle.
H5786 PORT. UNISS. All matching No's. Matching bayo.
Norwegian? sorry don't know what to look for.
Thanks.
I have a 1937 mauser with the subscription: mauser werke A.G. oberndorm a/N
my serial number is: D8596 on every part of the rifle
the belt is not tru the stock but bent down at the lower top of the rifle
greetings niels
This is a RC from Coles sn G535.
Receiver right 655 655 655.
Import marked. No rc X
Norwegian modified K98k's are all guaranteed to have seen German WW2 service. None of them could possibly be post-war imports to Norway! I have handled at least 10 K98k's modified to .3006 that had the Portuguese crest on the receiver. None of them had a crested stock though!
This picture shows my key fob, made out of the receiver of one of these. The serial is G 6418.
I have also saved the stock from one. It is, of course, walnut and marked with 3 eagles with WaA135 and a capital "H" for Heer acceptance. Serial number of that rifle is G 7668. I have also recently sold two as parts kits, but failed to note the prefix, so the serial numbers are of no use! They were 1167 & 8031.
The Mauser M941 contract was sign in July, 15, 1941, for the purchase of 50.000 rifles, to be delivered in 10 batches of 5.000. But serial numbering had some problems. The first 4 batches had consecutive numbers, but after the 23.000 rifle- the german made an emergency requisition that interrupts the serial number sequence. The remaining batches are delivered with serial numbers from F to I, and only H batch would have complete and consecutive numbers.
I hope this helps.
Reider, thanks for the info. The Norwegian numbers are very important because they are known German used M941's. Same with the RC's. If you have any other numbers, do please post them. Nice rifle Vulch. I am assuming that one would likely be Portugese?
Portuguese records, Hambone!
A todos os melhores cumprimentos.
Hambone,
"Armamento do Exército Português Vol. I- Armamento Ligeiro" – Pages 142 and 143. ISBN 972-8816-43-X.
I can´t recomend the purchase because it has some basic errors, but I confess that it also has some gems, even unknown to the authors like the probable existence (to me) of a 1904 Vergueiro Carbine (original, not the altered M904/39) shown in a photo of the book.
Luso, many thanks, that's good stuff. You got top billing for that one. As we see, the global effort, from the RC observations (Eastern Europe and imported here), observations of those from batches imported to the US in the 50's to 90's, those in Norway, those in Europe, and importantly, Portugese records, and this puzzle can be put together as to German diverted weapons with enough detail to satisfy even the most anal retentive of us If you run across any other Portugese records or texts, please share. Kind regards, Hambone
For your study: All imported by SARCO & so marked.
S/N's F5616, F13696, F14336, H10598. All have portugese crest on stock. First two are completely matching. Last two are bolt mismatched. F14336 has bolt body F5971 (Striker assembly 14336), H10598 has bolt body H12838. All purchased in early 90's from SARCO. Hope this helps.
I've the same problem with unknow markings on my M1941 portuguese k98k. You'll find pictures here under.
For Hambone, here is the data of he rifle :
Sn G7792 all matching except the follower. This rifle is comming from a german gunsmith. It has some markings, the same of Boer. It seem to be an eagle (but not a ww2 one?) with a N under. An idea ?
There is no H on the stock. Just a WaA135 on one side (and one under) and a crest dated 1941 one the other. The rifle is in very good condition.
Like Boer, the butplate has a cross over the manufacturer (brg).
More surprising markings : x57 JS Orion and eagle?N number 12 between 2 other stange markings. On the barel, other markings (post war german national registration markings ?) I think that a german member of this board could explain some of these marks.
I've read the page on Law's k98 book, (p297) on commercial k98 because there was the information x57 JS on my rifle. No more information was found. If you have ideas on these markings and on the butplate cross, please leave a message on this board.
Have a nice week !
i have a portuguese 1941 98k contact rifle sn g12396 vet bring back excellent condition they are hard to find up hear in michigan,i also have a 1937 portuguese 98k they are even harder to find
100.000 M937 were delivered beetween 1937 and September 1939. There are three diferent models: M937, M937-A and M937-B. The differences?
I wish I knew!
Today I got my M941 specimen (bolt cut). I bought it blindly and so I don´t know what I really have:
Serial: H9603
Butt plate: cupped with "Brg"
Trigger guard and floorplate plate match but not the bolt, rear sight leaf, etc, etc, etc...
The barrel has a "41 SIG".
The stock is walnut, has the usual waffen-amts on the right side but no Portuguese Republic shield on the left.
I wonder what I have...
I tend to think that this mixmaster was a rebuild by a surplus dealer, but then again the rifle is indeed very dirty and I am having trouble to accept the idea that someone just assembled some parts.
Also, I do not believe that portuguese armouries would use non standard replacement parts...
What do you think?
I have Portugese K 98, number G 10, all matching numbers with Heer mark. Has had some use by the look of it. There are other marks I don't know about,
Cole's #16561 Waffenampts #'s 655,135,135 on receiver, 655 655 on barrel.
Cole's(bought from allansarmory) #19129,Waffenampts #'s 135,135,135 on receiver. 135 135 on barrel.
G16561 receiver 655 135 135, barrel WaA655 WaA655
G19129 receiver 135 135 135, barrel WaA135 WaA135
Well Hambone I decided to get off my lazy hind quarters and provide my input.I bought this rifle in an estate sale about 20 years ago.It is not an import marked rifle.It is 100% matching in very good shape.From the PICs you will see that the number on the reciever is slightly different in style compared to the one on the barrel.Also if you look close you will see the remains of an old number under the number on the barrel.Also the date on the barrel is 39.
I contacted who I consider an authority on this,Mr Pisgah.Great guy.After a few exchanges of email he asked me to look for a paticular marking on the barrel just in front of the reiever.He said look for a 0.2 mark.From my PICs you will see that mark.Accordind to him this mark indicates a rebarreling by a German military armorer.I feel very confident that this is a genuine German used rifle because of the 0.2 mark and the serial number range.HTH
Ukn use, G6552, No import mark, matching but with a wrist repair on the stock. Not Russian captured weapon.
ADDENDUM; After a more through exam in GOOD light I will say this was German used. In addition to the H stamp in the butt are two WaA135 eagles directly below.
Thanks P3. The more examples the have, the more we may see a pattern. Your rifle falls squarely between RC's, which of course, we know are German used! This may help us ID rifles as German used which we may not have known before. My Port. is definitely NOT German used, but there are those out there (like you) that may have them that really could not have known for sure previously. The German used rifles would have come in with vets, early import, or RC. The Port., came in batches from Portugal. Until now, with the RC's, we had no definitive way to ID ranges. Thanks for your input and congrats on what sounds like a nice historical rifle.
H5786 PORT. UNISS. All matching No's. Matching bayo.
Norwegian? sorry don't know what to look for.
Thanks.
I have a 1937 mauser with the subscription: mauser werke A.G. oberndorm a/N
my serial number is: D8596 on every part of the rifle
the belt is not tru the stock but bent down at the lower top of the rifle
greetings niels
This is a RC from Coles sn G535.
Receiver right 655 655 655.
Import marked. No rc X
Norwegian modified K98k's are all guaranteed to have seen German WW2 service. None of them could possibly be post-war imports to Norway! I have handled at least 10 K98k's modified to .3006 that had the Portuguese crest on the receiver. None of them had a crested stock though!
This picture shows my key fob, made out of the receiver of one of these. The serial is G 6418.
I have also saved the stock from one. It is, of course, walnut and marked with 3 eagles with WaA135 and a capital "H" for Heer acceptance. Serial number of that rifle is G 7668. I have also recently sold two as parts kits, but failed to note the prefix, so the serial numbers are of no use! They were 1167 & 8031.
The Mauser M941 contract was sign in July, 15, 1941, for the purchase of 50.000 rifles, to be delivered in 10 batches of 5.000. But serial numbering had some problems. The first 4 batches had consecutive numbers, but after the 23.000 rifle- the german made an emergency requisition that interrupts the serial number sequence. The remaining batches are delivered with serial numbers from F to I, and only H batch would have complete and consecutive numbers.
I hope this helps.
Reider, thanks for the info. The Norwegian numbers are very important because they are known German used M941's. Same with the RC's. If you have any other numbers, do please post them. Nice rifle Vulch. I am assuming that one would likely be Portugese?
Portuguese records, Hambone!
A todos os melhores cumprimentos.
Hambone,
"Armamento do Exército Português Vol. I- Armamento Ligeiro" – Pages 142 and 143. ISBN 972-8816-43-X.
I can´t recomend the purchase because it has some basic errors, but I confess that it also has some gems, even unknown to the authors like the probable existence (to me) of a 1904 Vergueiro Carbine (original, not the altered M904/39) shown in a photo of the book.
Luso, many thanks, that's good stuff. You got top billing for that one. As we see, the global effort, from the RC observations (Eastern Europe and imported here), observations of those from batches imported to the US in the 50's to 90's, those in Norway, those in Europe, and importantly, Portugese records, and this puzzle can be put together as to German diverted weapons with enough detail to satisfy even the most anal retentive of us If you run across any other Portugese records or texts, please share. Kind regards, Hambone
For your study: All imported by SARCO & so marked.
S/N's F5616, F13696, F14336, H10598. All have portugese crest on stock. First two are completely matching. Last two are bolt mismatched. F14336 has bolt body F5971 (Striker assembly 14336), H10598 has bolt body H12838. All purchased in early 90's from SARCO. Hope this helps.
I've the same problem with unknow markings on my M1941 portuguese k98k. You'll find pictures here under.
For Hambone, here is the data of he rifle :
Sn G7792 all matching except the follower. This rifle is comming from a german gunsmith. It has some markings, the same of Boer. It seem to be an eagle (but not a ww2 one?) with a N under. An idea ?
There is no H on the stock. Just a WaA135 on one side (and one under) and a crest dated 1941 one the other. The rifle is in very good condition.
Like Boer, the butplate has a cross over the manufacturer (brg).
More surprising markings : x57 JS Orion and eagle?N number 12 between 2 other stange markings. On the barel, other markings (post war german national registration markings ?) I think that a german member of this board could explain some of these marks.
I've read the page on Law's k98 book, (p297) on commercial k98 because there was the information x57 JS on my rifle. No more information was found. If you have ideas on these markings and on the butplate cross, please leave a message on this board.
Have a nice week !
i have a portuguese 1941 98k contact rifle sn g12396 vet bring back excellent condition they are hard to find up hear in michigan,i also have a 1937 portuguese 98k they are even harder to find
100.000 M937 were delivered beetween 1937 and September 1939. There are three diferent models: M937, M937-A and M937-B. The differences?
I wish I knew!
Today I got my M941 specimen (bolt cut). I bought it blindly and so I don´t know what I really have:
Serial: H9603
Butt plate: cupped with "Brg"
Trigger guard and floorplate plate match but not the bolt, rear sight leaf, etc, etc, etc...
The barrel has a "41 SIG".
The stock is walnut, has the usual waffen-amts on the right side but no Portuguese Republic shield on the left.
I wonder what I have...
I tend to think that this mixmaster was a rebuild by a surplus dealer, but then again the rifle is indeed very dirty and I am having trouble to accept the idea that someone just assembled some parts.
Also, I do not believe that portuguese armouries would use non standard replacement parts...
What do you think?
I have Portugese K 98, number G 10, all matching numbers with Heer mark. Has had some use by the look of it. There are other marks I don't know about,
