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57Coastie
Posted - 01/21/2007 : 5:10:41 PM
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Could one of our more experienced members provide a list of positions on my 1917 m/96 which should show the last three numbers of the serial number, or a referral to a post with this info? I would not want to hold mine out as "all matching" when there is a point somewhere which I have overlooked. I do not do very well with the "Search" feature.

This morning I thought I had found them all, and I just found two more. There is no reason to believe that my search has ended.

Thanks,
Jim


swede
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Posted - 01/21/2007 : 7:00:49 PM
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There are 19 numbers on a M-96 as follows :

- receiver
- bolt body
- bolt sleeve
- cocking piece
- safety
- bayonet lug
- handguard band
- mag floorplate
- bolt release
- buttplate
- rear sight ladder
- rear sight slider
- rear sight catch
- cleaning rod

firing pin
barrel
triggerguard
stock
handguard

These last 5 can only be seen when disassembled .

Not normally known as a matching part , the extractor can be found with the 3 digit serial number scratched on the underside .


JK
Posted - 01/21/2007 : 7:54:54 PM
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Don't forget that some rifles also have the back of the cleaning rod stud and the underside of the rear sight leaf spring numbered.
Best, John



swede
Posted - 01/22/2007 : 12:47:01 AM
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That is news to me . I never heard of that before & never looked there either .


Swedeman
Posted - 01/22/2007 : 08:05:46 AM
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And, I have seen a couple with serialized triggers, too, but the list Swede posted contains the "accepted" 19 serial-numbered parts to look at.

IGNORE the cleaning rod ... if it does match then that is great, but do not use it in determining if a Swede is all-matching or not. Cleaning rods were routinely swapped around by the Swedes with no concern for keeping them matched to the rifles.


arilar
Posted - 01/22/2007 : 08:43:08 AM
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Originally posted by Swedeman

IGNORE the cleaning rod ... if it does match then that is great, but do not use it in determining if a Swede is all-matching or not. Cleaning rods were routinely swapped around by the Swedes with no concern for keeping them matched to the rifles.
Thanks Swedeman. That expression, "all matching besides cleaning-rod", has actually surprised me! Glad to see your opinion that I also support.
ARILAR


swede
Posted - 01/22/2007 : 4:13:33 PM
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The importers may have had more to do with the mismatched cleaning rods than you think . Some importers removed all the cleaning rods upon arriving in their warehouse to place the import marking on the bottom of the barrel between the bayonet lug & front sight base . There was no attempt to match cleaning rods to each rifle . Many may have been matching , while others may not have been matching . No way of knowing for for sure . Differant importers had differant practices at differant times & do not appear consistant in placing their import markings .

There are rifles with matching cleaning rods & they usually bring a small premium . Mostly , I see them on M-96's with the original " VEE sights " . Those rifles which have not been in the Swede arsenals for many years . There are later rebuilds that have matching cleaning rods as well . They are NOT common .


Mike442
Posted - 01/24/2007 : 12:18:33 AM
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I was told that some of the M96 rifles were produced and issued with un-numbered cleaning rods. And if it has an un-numbered rod, this doesn't necessiarly mean it is non-matching. Is this true?


swede
Posted - 01/24/2007 : 01:41:21 AM
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It appears that the M-38's were issued with unnumbered cleanig rods . The original M-96's were most likely issued with matching numbered cleaning rods . Any that you see with an unnumbered cleaning rod are probably replacements . I would simply call it matching with an unnumbered cleaning rod .
 
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