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Thanks, have not seen that in some time.
Like recess, dodgeball and Phys ed, the meanies would like to see it banned.Muslim footbaths, ok, though.

For those too young to remember, Red was a national treasure.
 

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red was good, he could make me laugh OR cry.... without saying a word. #2 has to be tim conway.
 

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I sincerely hope Red would have felt differently about the Pledge of Allegiance, had he been aware of its true history...

The author of the Pledge was one Francis Bellamy, a defrocked Baptist minister from Boston who identified himself as a Christian Socialist and preached sermons claiming Jesus was a socialist. He was defrocked and kicked out of his church for his habit of preaching socialism rather than the Bible.

Bellamy was the cousin of Edward Bellamy, author of the extremely popular 1888 socialist fantasy, Looking Backward. In this novel the main character, Julian West, falls asleep in 1887 and awakens in the year 2000 when the socialist "utopia" has been achieved: All industry is owned by the government, Soviet style; everyone is an employee of the government who is conscripted into compulsory national service at age 21, and all workers earn the same income.

Francis Bellamy was the vice president in charge of education for the "Society of Christian Socialists," a national organization that advocated income taxation, central banking, nationalized education, nationalization of all industry, and other key planks of the Communist Manifesto.

Francis Bellamy said that one purpose of the Pledge of Allegiance was to help accomplish his lifelong goal of making his cousin’s dream of a socialist utopia a reality in America. He further stated that the "true reason for allegiance to the Flag" was to indoctrinate American school children in the (false) history of the American founding that was espoused first by Daniel Webster and, later, by Abraham Lincoln, to wit: the states were never sovereign and the union created the states, not the other way around (this makes about as much sense as claiming that a marriage is older than either spouse :rolleyes:).

Bellamy intended the Pledge of Allegiance to be a vow of allegiance to the state, a quintessentially un-American idea. He stated that he got the idea from the "loyalty oaths" that were imposed on Southerners during Lincoln’s invasion of the Southern states and afterward. The notion of "One nation, indivisible" was very important to Bellamy's socialist agenda. For if secession were viewed as a legitimate recourse, it would threaten a socialist central government. Bellamy wrote the pledge as part of his efforts to indoctrinate children to put their allegiance to the central government before their loyalty to their families, local communities, state governments, and even their creator! Bellamy did not include the words “under God” in his original version of the pledge. That phrase wasn't added until the 1950s.

Bellamy considered the "liberty and justice for all" phrase in the Pledge to be an Americanized version of the slogan of the French Revolution: "Liberty, Equality, Fraternity." As we all know, "Liberty, Equality, Fraternity" turned into the Reign of Terror. But in an 1876 commencement speech, Francis Bellamy praised the French Revolution as "the poetry of human brotherhood."

FYI, this is how schoolchildren originally pledged their allegiance to the flag, before German National Socialists made the gesture unpopular...

 

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The only three countries in modern history that have had a pledge of allegiance; Italy under Mussolini, Germany under Hitler and us.

Just think about what those words mean...pledge of allegiance.

Its ok to be patriotic, we all are but pledging allegiance to the government is not what we should be teaching our kids. I think we should substitute the National Anthem in place of the pledge. Its just as patriotic but its not forcing you to pledge your allegiance to anything.
 

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Considering taht I several times swore an oath requiring me to bear true allegiance to the Constitution of the United Sates and to defend the nation against all enemies, domestic and foreign, I don't really find myself much bothered by the Pledge of Allegiance. Indeed - every citizen of the United States SHOULD bear true allegiance to the Republic and shouldn't be concerned about saying so.

And - if you are about to bring up 1861-1865, I have no great difficulty with formal resignation form office when that was a well-accepted thing to do and further formal renunciation of allegiance in the face of a government about to fall into the hands of such villains as Thaddeus Stevens, Henry Ward Beecher (who had an interesting idea about what sort of Bibles should be distributed) or William Seward. As far as that goes - people still can resign, renounce citizenship and go elsewhere. But until they do - they should have no problems pledging allegiance.
 

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perhaps if there is a problem with pledging allegiance, that person should leave the country now.
 

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yep, sip..... BURP! i agree with clyde and cpw, i think we should all pledge allegiance, and really mean it, might reduce the trivial politics a little, and as long as i'm not offended by what my country and my flag represent, i will remain loyal.
 

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What part of pledging one's allegiance to their homeland, the people therein, the flag thereof, and the government within, is "socialist?"

I agree with the above three posters. If you don't like it, there are over one hundred fifty nations where you do NOT have to pledge allegiance. I'm sure you're welcome there.
 

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What part of pledging one's allegiance to their homeland, the people therein, the flag thereof, and the government within, is "socialist?"

I agree with the above three posters. If you don't like it, there are over one hundred fifty nations where you do NOT have to pledge allegiance. I'm sure you're welcome there.
Hmmm... I wasn't aware anyone could MAKE me recite that 19th century pinko's pledge to the flag here in the United States of America.

I guess I missed that memo, Lumbergh. ;)

I'd rather pledge my allegiance to the Constitution. Oh wait, I DID. And I never got un-sworn from that oath, either.
 

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perhaps if there is a problem with pledging allegiance, that person should leave the country now.
Anyone that gives blind obedience to the government should rethink what they have said.
 

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yep, sip..... BURP! i agree with clyde and cpw, i think we should all pledge allegiance, and really mean it, might reduce the trivial politics a little, and as long as i'm not offended by what my country and my flag represent, i will remain loyal.
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"Commie pinko pledge"???? What are you smoking!
 

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OMG, you're RIGHT!!! I never even REALIZED that my minor syntactical error would reveal my UTTERLY SOCIALIST NATURE!!! thank you SO much for pointing out my communist tendency that has been ingrained in my from my youth to such a HAZARDOUS and TYRANNICAL icon of America.
 

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^The above post is NOT sarcastic.

Neither is this one. Srsly.
 

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OMG, you're RIGHT!!! I never even REALIZED that my minor syntactical error would reveal my UTTERLY SOCIALIST NATURE!!! thank you SO much for pointing out my communist tendency that has been ingrained in my from my youth to such a HAZARDOUS and TYRANNICAL icon of America.
See how it feels to be singled out because of one belief that you have and being called a socialist? Maybe folks around here shouldn't trample on people's opinion by referring to them as "socialist" or "traitors".
 

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There is one thing I notice as there has been a whole generation come up since the draft was used.

There are vast numbers of youngsters who seem offended at the mere thought of service or alliegence to anything bigger than themselves.

One thing you sweethearts miss is that we here have the opportunity to change our government.

I would tell you to take a hike while the rest of us work to maintain and improve our system.

There was no expiration date on the oath many of us took.
 

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I would tell you to take a hike while the rest of us work to maintain and improve our system.
And you have a chance to do that. If you vote for Ron Paul this election you will restore this Constitutional Republic. If you vote to keep the mainstream in power, you will slowly be chipping away at the principles this country was founded on.
 

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And you have a chance to do that. If you vote for Ron Paul this election you will restore this Constitutional Republic.
Are you crazy? A vote for this dude will get Hitlery elected.
 

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He is certainly crazy.

With a side order of "dumb like a box of rocks".

He likes attention and we feed him because he is an entertaining pet for now.

He supports Hillary too.

Just read his posts and pay attention to the questions he dances around and doesn't answer.

Hey, I just thought of one he hasn't answered yet.

Red show laces or white?
 
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