[Kursk]

ok, i picked this fella up at the marshfield show today. just a small show.

anyway, i am looking for feedback on this setup. detachable claw mount scope with name and i assume 3 power by stamping on top? it is a 3 post reticle. has digits/lines on verticle reticle adjustment and a screw type adjustment for side to side. came with(was told) an original thin sling plus a boyt sling. bore is very good plus. blueing is very good. any feedback is welcome and i do not have any reference books for these mausers so the help is appreciated.

btw, there is no gew.98 on the side rail so i am thinking this is a guild gun??? the scope stamps are 3 fach(i assume 3 power) and C.P. Goerz Berlin.

 

[moconfed]

Sharp old mauser-(love the spoon bolt) I've been eyeing one similar- $1200 tho.. Get hurt very bad on $$?

 

[Kursk]

no, i didn't get hurt too bad. of course they are not free but then again i am never one to want to pay full price either. all parts numbered match except the ejector box. got a 93 marked box?

 

[Ross280]

No "Gew. Nr." etc. on the scope tube? It is a military pattern with the military range scale as you can see. If no Gew. Nr. markings or place where those were removed, my guess would be WWI parts used up in the 20s to produce a 'cheap' sporter. Military barrel by the look of it. Those are not military rings/bases from what I have seen.

 

[moconfed]

I'll keep my eyes peeled for that box. And since Solman hasn't asked (!)
How's it shoot?

 

[Kursk]

No "Gew. Nr." etc. on the scope tube? It is a military pattern with the military range scale as you can see. If no Gew. Nr. markings or place where those were removed, my guess would be WWI parts used up in the 20s to produce a 'cheap' sporter. Military barrel by the look of it. Those are not military rings/bases from what I have seen.

hi, no other markings on the scope. it is a 3 post reticle though. i broke the rifle down and there is(i believe) an amberg stamp with upwards wings on the bottom of the barrel along with 3 crown k, B.S 68; receeiver bottom has a really fance C., no stmg or powder charge stampings.

i would think this was a german type sporter because of the tooth pick type stock. english were a little beefier and american more so even? the claw mounts are very tight and function very well. at any rate it is a very nice rifle overall with a very good bore and no pitting etc. i did a bullet test on the muzzle and mic'd it and it is about .3125 so there is plenty of life left in the bore. i would assume that current 8x57 remington commercial would be fine in this rifle. thanks for the feedback. oh, the name on the scope...could that be the name that the rifle was made for or is that a typical scope name from the pre? ww1 era?

 

[Ross280]

i would think this was a german type sporter because of the tooth pick type stock. english were a little beefier and american more so even? the claw mounts are very tight and function very well. at any rate it is a very nice rifle overall with a very good bore and no pitting etc....the name on the scope...could that be the name that the rifle was made for or is that a typical scope name from the pre? ww1 era?

It is quite a historic and definitely interesting piece. So many of the top quality older sporters get broken down because their scopes and mounts are 'obsolete', especially in the US I'm sorry to say, and the bits sold off while the actions are "renewed" for resale at silly prices.

C. P. Goerz was a well-known name in German optics, who were absorbed by Zeiss in the 1930s IIRC. These 3x scopes were used on Gew98 and Steyr M95 rifles, as shown in the various books. That scope is a military contract piece or assembled from/left over from military production post-WWI I would say.

 

[anttom]

Nice Rig

The scope is a WWI period or soon after rig. I would not be surprised if it came off a military sniper from the era. All that is missing is a Gew98 serial number on the tube. A great find now you don't have to sporterize your bcd43.

 

[ktr]

Neat sporter! Don't often find one with the scope and claw mounts still with the rifle. Usually just the naked claw bases attached and the owner wandering about the shows looking for a scope that fits! Tunnel mounts too, so you can use the iron sites with the scope attached. Windage adj. on the right side of the rear mount?

 

[Kursk]

yes, there is a windage adjustment screw. i totally freaked when i first seen this rifle. i wanted it pretty bad. now what about a value of the piece?

 

[Ross280]

Any of the Mauser experts care to comment on the butt marking disc? does that just cover the hole in an ex-military stock?

Is that a ring mark on the scope tube just ahead of the turret? (By that I mean the base for the knob)

 

[dirtyjim]

that gun was on one of the auction sites a while back and had a decent price. i considered buying it myself

 

[Kursk]

Any of the Mauser experts care to comment on the butt marking disc? does that just cover the hole in an ex-military stock?

Is that a ring mark on the scope tube just ahead of the turret? (By that I mean the base for the knob)

i looked at the scope and i don't believe it is. actually i loosened the rings up and slid them down the scope and there is no s.n. on it.

 

[Kursk]

that gun was on one of the auction sites a while back and had a decent price. i considered buying it myself

do you remember what it sold for or what state it came from? also, that disc in the butt does not cover a hole. there is no hole on the other side.

 

[vaughn99]

is the scope 3 post or 4 post?? if 3 post its commerical post WWI if 4 post scope is a left over never assigned to a rifle. i am very suprised that there is not a serial?? rifle seems to be a pre 1916 Gew rifle sporterized quite well in the 1920's. the bolt handle with the BN proofs seems to be a commercial Mauser Oberndorf bolt body forged to it current state. does teh side rail seem scrubbed?? as i see no markings present. have you take the rifle out of the stock, there should be a ton of markings under the wood.
sorry i can 't help any further


later
vaughn

 

[Kursk]

is the scope 3 post or 4 post?? if 3 post its commerical post WWI if 4 post scope is a left over never assigned to a rifle. i am very suprised that there is not a serial?? rifle seems to be a pre 1916 Gew rifle sporterized quite well in the 1920's. the bolt handle with the BN proofs seems to be a commercial Mauser Oberndorf bolt body forged to it current state. does teh side rail seem scrubbed?? as i see no markings present. have you take the rifle out of the stock, there should be a ton of markings under the wood.
sorry i can 't help any further


later
vaughn

ok, the scope is a 3 post. there is no s.n. on it at all. the side rail is 100% not scrubbed(no evidence anyway). the only markings are the 3x crown/k and the proof that you can see in the photo. possibly an amberg proof? not sure myself. the action is extrememly smooth and the bore is at least very good condition.

 

[herr_cobblermachen]

peculiar

This is down right odd. I wont jump the gun here but I bought a similar mauser the other day. It has been reblued at some point in its life, never saw a wwii refit. I suppose it was sporterized in the twenties. It features no 7.9 or S on the front of the barrel. It also has no side rail marking without evidence of ever having been removed/scrubbed. The stock resembles yours in cut, except there is a lip at the very end. Stock has cheek comb. The sling mounts, and both rear and front sights are very similar though not exact. Receiver isnt tapped. The underside of my barrel is marked with 3 G-crowns in a similar fashion as yours, and the animal proof above mine is a lion- which is Amberg. No fire proofs. Barrel cut. Bolt is imperial. Bolt was probably bent but I cant confirm that, looks professional. Has two cursive L's on the bolt arm. The underside of the bolt ball has been cut to where its flat, and has been peened to have a knarled appearance, not done by a machine. No parts of the bolt match, infact none of the rifle seems too. Barrel doesnt have a serial number. Receiver crest and year has been manually peened out completely by hand as well. Trigger guard has been clearly modified for the set trigger. A military sear is present but the trigger has been replaced with some type of additional sear which works with the double triggers.

It almost seems to me that if a novice began such conversions that yours was definitely a few tries later down the line. But what a curious commonality. The eagle on the underside of your barrel is a Prussian eagle