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Dutchman
Posted - 07/09/2006 : 6:12:00 PM
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In the past there has been some questions about this particular maple stocked m/96 because there is no disc cutout.
http://www.rebooty.com/~dutchman/maple.html

I was never able to get any further information about it from Dana Jones but it is a maple stock.

These two maple m/96 stocks are only 8 numbers apart. One is 367455 from 1915. The other went to Dana Jones for research for his book.
The stocks came from Century Arms when they were selling off large numbers of empty stocks for $2.30 each. I bought 40 stocks and later 20 handguard. Both stocks are conventional in that they have disc cutouts. The one I have here is cracked through the recoil shoulder. It also has a non-military opaque stain and clear coat that would indicate to me that it came from a shooting club as they often followed less stringent guidelines than military for upkeep and such.

Some of the map stocks exhibit striking fiddleback figure the whole length of the stock and are utterly gorgeous.

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Dutchman
Posted - 07/09/2006 : 6:18:08 PM
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Here's a 1907 carbine that has a maple stock, courtesy of MikeO. (used with permission). He hadn't checked the stock for serial numbers but its a safe bet that its non matching as maple shows up only 1915-1917 as with elm and mahogany.

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mauserdoc
Posted - 07/11/2006 : 11:21:44 PM
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I have a 1900 obie that is all matching x the rod. It has a matching fiddleback stock like the one on the guns you have shown. Given that these guns weren't reportedly made with that at that time, does it mean that the stock was probably added later and stamped to match the gun? The stock has one crown ( I think--unluckily, this gun was my early stock cleaning adventure in the swede world and I got both water, purple power, oven cleaner (?) etc on it trying to clean it up--so not sure about the crown...) Having said this, the stock has turned out nice and the fiddleback is awsome.


Dutchman
Posted - 07/12/2006 : 01:09:52 AM
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Pure speculation. We haven't had enough maple stock rifles & carbines to study to even make an educated guess. Just another one of the questions that'll be answered in the future, hopefully.


Swedeman
Posted - 07/12/2006 : 08:23:53 AM
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Mauserdoc,
I bet that yours is fiddleback walnut based on the year ... many of these look like maple ... post some photos so we can look.

Here is a stock that I have that looks like maple, and it may be (1916):






What do you think, Dutchman?


Swedeman
Posted - 07/12/2006 : 08:34:43 AM
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And, here is another that is 1915 that I believe to be walnut:






They look very similar, don't they. The other one (previous post) looks more like the one Dutchman posted. Both could very well be walnut.


Dutchman
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Posted - 07/12/2006 : 11:21:59 AM
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Swedeman - I believe both yours are walnut. They're very nice, too.
 

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Another maple fiddleback stock

The lower rifle which Ravenrob posted on 9th October 2006, is of interest to us here, a m/96 from 1915.



Its handguard however might be from another wood, possibly beech (medullary rays):



Swedeman
Posted - 10/10/2006 : 10:24:50 PM
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Ravenrob, VERY nice rifles ... we all love nice wood. By the way, the stock on the 1915 has an unusual grain ... looks almost like maple. I would love to see more detailed photos of that stock.
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Edited by - Swedeman on 10/11/2006 06:04:02 AM


ravenrob
Posted - 10/11/2006 : 08:13:31 AM
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Swedeman,
You are correct as far as I can tell. I'm pretty sure it is maple. When I saw it, I had to have it. I overpaid at the time, but as the value of these rifles has gone way up since then, I'm now longer upside down on this one! I'll see about getting more pics up soon. I have a lot going on right now, so it may be a few days. Be patient, I will get some up!

Wow... and what a long follow-up that was. See here:
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ravenrob
Posted - 10/12/2006 : 6:06:00 PM
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OK Swedeman, Opee and the others who asked for them, here are the pictures. When I bought this rifle 8 years ago, I overpaid ($250)but I couldn't pass it up. This was when we were selling the M96 for $120 and the M38 for $175. The good old days! Now, as the prices on these have realy gone up, I think I did OK. I added the M/58 sight, but as you can see in one of the pictures, I kept the original. The only number that doesn't match is the cleaning rod which is un-numbered. Enjoy!








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Swedeman
Posted - 10/12/2006 : 9:22:31 PM
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It could be either fiddleback French walnut or maple. The year (1915) doesn't help us any since both walnut and maple could have been used in 1915, 1916 or possibly 1917. Some tiger walnut stocks mimick the appearance of maple ... I have one that Dutchman thinks is walnut but it is strikingly similar to maple. There is only one sure way to tell ... send a sample from inside the barrel channel off to the U.S. Forest Service lab and have them identify it.

In either case, it has a very unusual and gorgeous grain pattern.

Swedeman


mauserdoc
Posted - 10/13/2006 : 03:13:03 AM
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Amazing--haven't seen anything like that one...


TE53
Posted - 10/13/2006 : 4:14:23 PM
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It does look like maple, except for the beech handguard. Can we get a pic of the inside of the barrel inletting?


ravenrob
Posted - 10/13/2006 : 7:11:27 PM
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The handguard does seem to be beech (birch??) After breaking two screwdriver blades, I got the rifle apart. here are the pictures:
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ravenrob
Posted - 10/13/2006 : 7:14:26 PM
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Here are a few more:

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TE53
Posted - 10/13/2006 : 7:51:20 PM
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I don't see anything inside that suggests walnut, and the wood appears to have stain splotches inside. I would say that it is maple with about a 80% confidence level. This would make it a rare rifle indeed, and matching.
The price you paid is looking pretty good to me right now!
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swede
Posted - 10/13/2006 : 7:53:49 PM
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The handguard does appear to be beech . That is red beech . The Swedes did not use birch .
Looking at the barrel channel photos , I could not say what kind of wood you have .


ravenrob
Posted - 10/13/2006 : 7:55:31 PM
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Thanks for the info. Isn't it odd that the handguard and stock would be made from two different types of wood?
As for the price, at the time it was high, but I couldn't let this one get away. Glad I didn't!


ravenrob
Posted - 10/13/2006 : 7:58:18 PM
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The stock grain seems to be too tight to be walnut.


swede
Posted - 10/13/2006 : 8:03:13 PM
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Handguards were easily broken & may be replaced at any time during the rifles life & numbered to match . The handguard was replaced at a later date unrelated to the stock . You will also find mismatched handguards taken off discarded rifles used as replacements as well .


Swedeman
Posted - 10/13/2006 : 9:31:42 PM
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As previously stated, the handguard is beech, and the blotchy barrel channel and tight grain look like maple ... I have seen that blotchy coloration on maple before. Again, it may take an official test result from the lab to know for sure.


Dutchman
Posted - 10/15/2006 : 4:42:50 PM
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99% Maple and a very pretty piece of wood it is.


Swedeman
Posted - 10/15/2006 : 10:44:52 PM
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Back on the subject ... that IS a one pretty piece of wood ... so unusual!!!
 

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Discussion Starter #3 (Edited)
Further maple stocks

Dutchman
Posted - 05/03/2007 : 02:42:48 AM
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Maple is, in my opinion, the scarest of all the stockwoods used by Sweden. Pretty fiddleback maple is rarer yet. Not all maple is fiddleback but fiddleback shows up regularly.

Maple was used only in 1915-1916-1917 same as mahogany and elm but maple is seen far less than either elm or mahogany, though we haven't really caught up to the mahogany stocks enough to know what serial number range they ran other than 1915-1916-1917. There had to have been batches of consecutive serial numbers all with the same stockwood until that batch of wood was exhausted and something else from stock was used.

I had two m/96 stocks of maple that were 8 digits apart in serial number. Neither was in very good condition and one of them went to Dana Jones for testing and inclusion in Crown Jewels. One of the maple stocks I had was stained to the point that a casual observation wouldn't reveal what kind of wood it was. They both had ~mild~ fiddleback, not full and not visually pronounced.

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SWEDISH K
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Posted - 05/09/2007 : 5:48:25 PM
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"I had two m/96 stocks of maple that were 8 digits apart in serial number."
Can you post the serial numbers here?

Little OT but: I have observed that stocks around 1913-1914 seems to have this type of "flaming" walnut sometimes. Is that something you have observed to?

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Dutchman
Posted - 05/09/2007 : 6:36:04 PM
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The two maple stocks were numbered in 1915. Maple doesn't occur outside 1915-1916-1917 same as elm & mahogany.

The photo is too small for me to see anything.. ?
 
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