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I suppose this should go in the minefield and thereby not disturb the trolls & attention whores here, but I'll give it a shot.

I see 2 Pa. gun control groups ( CeaseFirePa & States United to Prevent gun Violence ) are claiming the NRA had a mole in their offices! :eek:

Mary Lou Fate is alleged to have been spying for the NRA & both groups are now having their offices swept for bugs & wire taps. Unfortunately, the reporting magazine - Mother Jones - is not the most credible.

She apparently spied on an animal rights group in the 80s & her efforts led to one of that bunch being arrested for planting a pipe bomb in a medical research facility.

None of the mentioned are answering calls on the matter.

I'm not completely buying into the story, but if it turns out to be true, I believe I'll be sending the NRA a contribution. I figure the gun control bunch would have done the same had the opportunity arisen, and I say "Do unto others... FIRST!" :D

The story claims Fate - now 62 - is a former flight attendant & sex therapist.

Sounds like an interesting old heifer... interesting story, too. I didn't think the NRA was so creative. Paranoia is sure to run rampant among other gun control groups now. Hee hee hee!!! :D :p ;) SW
 

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Would'nt be suprised if true. Moles are not unheard of. Many are self-appointed. PETA is famous for them!
 
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I've followed this story for a few days. What blows my mind is that the gun grabbers think she did something illegal. They actually mentioned "trespass." There isn't a law against belonging to interest groups with conflicting agendas. I know plenty of people who sit on boards of various nonprofit and civic groups which are all but shooting at each other. Not everyone is a singleminded zealot. If she chose to share information she gleaned at lunch with the gun grabbers with her friends at NRA, that's fine. Only if she engaged in unauthorized "research" (i.e., theft, a.k.a. private espionage) could she be in any trouble. And I just don't think anyone cool enough to be a former stewardess and sex therapist would be capable of such a thing.
 

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Looks like she worked for a PI outfit that had the NRA for a client, so it would appear not an NRA plant. May not even have been on the NRA contract, could have been for one of the other clients of the employer.
 

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I'm just curious if she developed her therapeutic sexual practice while working as a stewardess...:D
 

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Good for the NRA! If the gun control groups can use lies and duplicity on the entire public, why not do the same to the gun control groups.

She is technically allowed to do this- they're both open, civil organizations. Bob Barr is a member of NRA and the ACLU. If they want to make you sign non-disclosure agreements they're paranoid.
 

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Hmm.

Other than their failure to grasp the principles of logic, I didn't think the gun-banners had anything they wanted to hide.
 

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Good for the NRA! If the gun control groups can use lies and duplicity on the entire public, why not do the same to the gun control groups.

She is technically allowed to do this- they're both open, civil organizations. Bob Barr is a member of NRA and the ACLU. If they want to make you sign non-disclosure agreements they're paranoid.
If its good for the goose then its good for the gander I always say!!!!!!!!!!
Screw the anti-gun groups!!!!!!
 

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Exactly how am I supposed to treat organizations who's stated ultimate goal is the confiscation of thousands of dollars worth of my private property, the abolition of one of my God-given rights, and leaving me, my family and my friends at the mercy of society's predators?

I've seen this topic on other forums and the gun people who want to play Marquis of Queensbury with our homegrown statists are just unbelieveable. I don't think they realize the gravity of the situation.
 

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The gun-grabbers have been known to place moles in pro-gun groups.

They've even created false-flag "pro-gun" organizations pimping "common-sense" gun control.

They use dishonest, loaded terms like "assault weapon" and "Saturday Night Special" and conflate semi-autos with machineguns. They tell outright, boldfaced lies.

And Handgun Control, Inc didn't even have the honesty to keep that name, once it became clear that a vast majority of Americans believe they have an individual right to own those scary, scary handguns.

So which side has lies and misdirection as their M.O.?

I'm pretty sure anybody who wants to "infiltrate" an NRA meeting just has to pony up the $35 membership dues.
 

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Given the grabber's goals and past tactics , this seems like good , clean tackle football.
She must have got 'em good or the grabbers wouldn't be whining so much.
 

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They've even created false-flag "pro-gun" organizations pimping "common-sense" gun control.
The latest is the "American Hunters And Shooters Association". It's used to delude fools like Ben Gunn into thinking it's OK to support Liberal gun grabbers and their policies.

NRA-ILA Fact Sheet

American Hunters And Shooters Association: The Ultimate In Political Camouflage

When it comes to political discourse and campaign rhetoric on Second Amendment Rights, there are two events that have shaped the current landscape more than any others: the 1994 mid term elections and the 2000 Presidential election. In 1994, gun owners turned out in record numbers to send a message to the Clinton Administration that the gun bans and the anti-gun laws they had pursued were unacceptable. And in 2000, Vice President Al Gore lost because his position on guns was unacceptable to voters in states that had been reliable for his party for decades.

The result was a watershed change in American politics, and a change in the way many anti-gun politicians campaign. Rather than talk openly about their desire to ban guns, register gun owners and regulate firearms sales, anti-gun politicians talk about their “support” for sportsmen. Rather than admit they oppose the individual right protected by the Second Amendment, they claim they “support firearms ownership for hunting.”

This is all an effort to mislead and divide the gun owning community and to dilute gun owners’ political impact. Anti-gun activists want to ensure that 1994 and 2000 never happen again. To achieve their goals they have created new organizations with names designed to confuse gun owners and hide the real agenda. The American Hunters and Shooters Association (AHSA) is one of those groups.

AHSA was created with the specific intent to provide political cover for anti-gun politicians by allowing them to claim support from a “sportsmen’s” group. In truth, the anti-gun credentials of AHSA’s leadership is well documented. For instance, AHSA president Ray Schoenke has a long history of giving political donations to some of the most anti-gun politicians, including Al Gore, John Kerry, Barbara Boxer, Bill Clinton, Dianne Feinstein and Ted Kennedy. In 2000, Schoenke donated $5,000 to Handgun Control, Inc. (now the Brady Campaign) and the Ray and Holly Schoenke Foundation also made donations to the Brady Campaign. AHSA Board member John Rosenthal remains the leader of Stop Handgun Violence, the Massachusetts anti-gun group. And one of the leading organizers of AHSA is Bob Ricker, who has been a paid expert witness against gun manufacturers in a number of reckless lawsuits. (For more information, see Anti-Gunners Don Camo As Elections Loom.)

AHSA’s political activities are predictable when you consider its primary goals are to discredit the NRA and advance the interests of anti-gun politicians. AHSA`s first effort was in the 2006 Missouri Senate race. AHSA used direct mail to mislead sportsmen and distort the landmark work NRA was doing to protect millions of acres of wetlands in Missouri. While NRA was working with legislators to protect the 100-year flood plain in Missouri from development and ensure that land would be available to hunters, AHSA produced direct mail falsely claiming the NRA had “sold out hunters” so that they could mislead sportsmen into voting for anti-gun candidate Claire McCaskill (See Who Needs Another Alternative To NRA for more information.) Unfortunately, AHSA’s lies were at least partly to blame for McCaskill’s election and the loss of Sen. Jim Talent, a valuable friend of gun owners and sportsmen.

While the NRA counts membership in the millions, AHSA can only claim a few hundred members and has done nothing to advance the issues important to sportsmen. On top of that, in its first foray into Second Amendment issues, AHSA chose to stand alongside one of the leading anti-gun politicians in America: New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg. AHSA supported Bloomberg’s effort to repeal the law that protects confidential law enforcement data from disclosure that threatens the privacy of gun owners and the safety of law enforcement officers—all so that Bloomberg could use the information in reckless lawsuits against the firearms industry (for more information, see: The "Tiahrt Amendment" on Firearms Traces: Protecting Gun Owners` Privacy and Law Enforcement Safety). By standing with Bloomberg, AHSA President Ray Schoenke made his claims that “we are a gun rights organization” impossible to defend.

AHSA has also attempted to use the District of Columbia v. Heller case as an opportunity to create false pro-gun credentials, but its effort reveals the group’s real agenda. In its friend of the court brief—ostensibly in support of the challenge to D.C.’s gun ban—AHSA claims to support the individual rights interpretation of the Second Amendment, but a complete reading shows a different story. The AHSA brief actually makes the case that the D.C. gun ban is mainly improper because D.C. is not a state, and the gun ban has not been authorized by Congress, saying “as a federal district, D.C. enjoys none of the indicia of statehood absent congressional legislation to the contrary and, therefore, basic notions of federalism cannot logically or semantically apply to the District.”

If AHSA’s position were adopted, it would strengthen the ability of states to pass more restrictive gun laws and lessen the impact of a pro-Second Amendment ruling in any of the fifty states. Unsurprisingly, in its conclusion, the brief states:

The argument advanced by [AHSA] would in no way prevent the D.C. Council from enacting reasonable regulations relating to possession, safety, and registration of firearms in the District. Indeed, it has a responsibility to the public to do so. [AHSA believes] that the District’s Gun Law was a laudable effort.

“Reasonable regulations,” “a responsibility to the public to do so,” a “laudable effort”?

No organization that claims the D.C. gun ban is a “laudable effort” or claims the gun regulations supported by the D.C. Council are “reasonable” can be described as pro-Second Amendment by any stretch of the imagination. And the claim that the gun ban’s primary flaw is that is was not enacted by a state eliminates any doubt that AHSA opposes a true individual right to keep and bear arms. If AHSA’s view were adopted, states would largely not be subject to the ruling—and to the extent they were, would not be prevented from enacting a broad range of laws as “reasonable regulations.” In fact, they would say, it would be their “responsibility to the public to do so.”

AHSA would be more correctly called the “American Association for the Protection of Anti-Gun Politicians.” No gun owner or sportsman should fall prey to its carefully crafted lies and deceptions.


Posted: 2/27/2008 12:00:00 AM
 

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When she opens her mouth, one could almost believe Carolyn McCarthy is actually a pro-gun mole sent to discredit the hoplophobes. Tucker Carlson got the stupid cow to admit she has no clue what a barrel shroud is, she only knows they're baa-aaa-aaa-aaa-aad. :cool:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ospNRk2uM3U
 
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