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German "camo" helmets are now big bucks. Once forums get hijacked by fake peddlers, it's over. German memorabilia fakery has been going on since before the war ended. Who was one of the first fakers of German relics? None other than Walt Disney, who was reproducing German "camo helmets" before WW1 ended. Funny stuff. There are alot of guys out there doing a "Walt Disney" on German WW2 "camo helmets" and they are selling them for thousands, not ten bucks a pop ;) :

"After watching Disney paint a camouflage scheme on a footlocker, a fellow nicknamed “the Georgian Cracker” put Disney’s creative talents to use and together, the two young men combined their respective talents to earn some extra money.

During time of war, servicemen have always sought out mementos and souvenirs to bring home and World War One was no different - one of the most highly prized trophies was a German sniper’s helmet. Disney and the “Cracker” often went on treasure hunts, scouring the surrounding countryside in search of discarded weapons and helmets, which the pair then sold to soldiers passing through on the troop trains.

Disney said, “We used to drive up…through ammunition dumps…[the Cracker] would go pick-up as many helmets as [he] could pick-up. The helmets were the thing. The Cracker knew very troop train coming…he’d go…with a whole armful of helmets…he had a sniper’s helmet…they all fought over this sniper’s helmet.”

The Cracker convinced Disney to reproduce the sniper camouflage design on discarded helmets the two had collected. “I copied the sniper’s helmet,” Disney recalled. After finishing the paint job, complete with a “quick drier” that made the paint crackle, the Cracker “went out …and banged it in the dirt. Then one day…he was shooting holes in them. He’d only have one…for every troop train. These troop trains would come through…and [the soldiers] would be around for an hour…he got the schedule…he’d go…with a whole armful of helmets…he’d only have one [sniper’s helmet] for every troop train. He never had more than one hanging on his arm.” For his role in the charade the Cracker paid Disney “5 francs or 10 francs."


http://vintagedisneymemorabilia.blogspot.com/2008/10/walt-disney-and-teh-red-cross-part-2.html
 

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I collect Jap. too on and off. I was into those flags. I learned alot after my first purchase. Most are jacked up creations. Many of them were painted up in occupied Japan for the GIs to send home as "war trophies". It's funny, but when some are translated they have anti-GI obscenities and insults and such.
 

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...then they would have to worry about fakes of fakes.....then again, on some German helmet forums they're already doing that now ;)
 

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Funny but true. If you go to one of those sites and start mentioning paint testing (it costs about $500) to date the paint, you'll get a reaction like throwing water on a bunch of chickens. Such paint dating can easily identify chemicals and agents in paint that did not exist in 1945 or even 1960. It can also date the paint. Museums, art collectors, Dept. of Justice, etc., have been doing this for over 20 years. Of course, those helmet forums have self annointed "advanced collectors" who bless camo helmets based upon their "expertise" acquired by being on internet forums for the last 5 years.

In any event, if this is ever done, the tent will be blown off that freak show and alot of artificial reputations ruined, people exposed as crooks, and art collections devalued. At this point, all the folks involved are too tainted from peddling this garbage to one another, and too many dealers are making alot of money, to want the truth to be shown. It's a real cess pool and an example of what forum censorship and abuses can do to a hobby. So, while JStein's comment is funny, it's also true. When the tent lid blows off the helmet freak show, the "rare" helmets will be those originals that the hucksters haven't painted up, ala Disney ;)
 

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The problem is that the German helmet forums are infiltrated by those painting and selling painted $300 helmets for $2500+. Anyone who goes against the tide of the bobblehead stampede to get fleeced gets hectored, hooted at, censored and banned. It's frankly surreal. The upside is that one that knows what original camos look like can sometimes sneak up on them and buy them for good prices as most forum "advanced collectors" don't really know what real ones look like. They're too busy comparing fakes to fakes ;)
 

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Today there are certain "gurus" and "advanced collectors" funding their hobbies by painting them as well. Unlike K98k collecting, there is really no place on the internet to go to get an assuredly straight answer. Way too much behind the scenes chicanery and agendas and fake painters and peddlers in the mix. Sprinkle in some lemmings that haven't a clue, but have high post counts, more money to spend on fakes than sense, and believe they are now "advanced collectors" because they've been on an internet forum for several years, or are a moderator, and you have a freak show. Once someone shells out $3000 for a fantasy fake, they are then married to that fake and the dealer that sold it to them. Thus the disease spreads and the knowledge base destroyed. Very sad. We don't have that problem, thankfully.
 

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Cool pic Burts!
 
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