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gun ban leads to confiscation. It is time to let your congresman or woman understand that we are not going to stand for this. 1776: the war was won with less than 10% of the population actively participating. 1963: the Civil Rights movement was accomplished with less than 4% of the population participating. There will be a time when the only way to stop them is with armed resistance or the threat thereof. analyze however you will and spend thousands of hours and millions of words discussing WHY. The congress will go whichever way the political wind is blowing. We have to make them understand that we will fight. I have made a pact with myself. I am sick and tired of all the media BS, the political hype, the pros and cons, the worrying and fretting over what is banned and not banned. I am a business owner, a tax (lots of tax) payer. Never been arrested never considered anything but patriotism toward my country. I'm a combat wounded Viet Nam Veteran, and I don't care about any of this BS. I am serving notice. I have made the concious decision. I don't care what it costs. for the future of this country, for the well being of my children and my grandchildren. for my own dignity. If they try to take away my right to keep and bear arms. If they try to take away my right to the self defense of myself my family and my property. By God I will fight till my last breath. this is my pledge.
The time for talking is done. The time for preparation is at hand.
 

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All your comments are legitamate . I, myself personnaly think Obama is a stooge (pupput) that is controled by the left wing , ( ever notice how he is always surronded by the radicals of the DEM. party when on "stage" . This guy is controlled look closely and you will see the strings attached to him. ( Smart guy and a lawer but knows nothing about politics) some one or some people are telling him what to do. Obama is not the enemy , but the puppet masters are. ACORN, WEATHERNAN ORG. Did you know the weatherman wanted and expected to have a violent revolution in this country , and wanted to set up RE_EDUCATION CAMPS to convince the people to accept a socialist Govt. And those that were capitalists and would not agree were to be eliminated. They estimated that the number of eliminations would be 25,000,000 americans.
read into this what you will. but I have stated facts and if you want the sources I will get them.But know that the sources are the FBI and US govt.
I look for these written sources to soon be censored and unaviable under the new regime.
Good luck and Godspeed.
 

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All your comments are legitamate . I, myself personnaly think Obama is a stooge (pupput) that is controled by the left wing , ( ever notice how he is always surronded by the radicals of the DEM. party when on "stage" . This guy is controlled look closely and you will see the strings attached to him. ( Smart guy and a lawer but knows nothing about politics) some one or some people are telling him what to do. Obama is not the enemy , but the puppet masters are. ACORN, WEATHERNAN ORG. Did you know the weatherman wanted and expected to have a violent revolution in this country , and wanted to set up RE_EDUCATION CAMPS to convince the people to accept a socialist Govt. And those that were capitalists and would not agree were to be eliminated. They estimated that the number of eliminations would be 25,000,000 americans.
read into this what you will. but I have stated facts and if you want the sources I will get them.But know that the sources are the FBI and US govt.
I look for these written sources to soon be censored and unaviable under the new regime.
Good luck and Godspeed.
I remember the Weather Underground very well. They burglarized a National Guard armory. Bill Ayers and his gang armed themselves with stolen M-16 assault rifles. They robbed banks and killed cops with illegal automatic weapons fire. Later it was bombing Banks of America and Pacific Gas & Electric power substations in Kalifornia.

Now Ayers lobbies the Illinois state legislature demanding that they coddle violent gun toting juvenile thugs and support anti-gun politicians. His wife spent more than one year in jail; because she wouldn't snitch on her cop killer friends in the WU. On the other hand, a steroid pusher spent three consecutive terms behind federal bars; because refused to rat on Barry Bonds. Your government is more afraid of a pill popping baseball player; than a commie traitor armed with automatic weapons and crude explosives. IDIOTS...
 

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Not to be a smarty pants, but why are the Thompson and Caliber .30 U.S. Carbine listed but not the M1941 Johnson, M1-Garand, B.A.R., and S.V.T. not? I mean after all, the ones not listed do technically meet their requirements to be categorized as such. Or is it because the naughty gangster monkeys in the concrete jungle don't often make sawed off weapons to use in drive by shootings out of them?
 

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Not to be a smarty pants, but why are the Thompson and Caliber .30 U.S. Carbine listed but not the M1941 Johnson, M1-Garand, B.A.R., and S.V.T. not? I mean after all, the ones not listed do technically meet their requirements to be categorized as such. Or is it because the naughty gangster monkeys in the concrete jungle don't often make sawed off weapons to use in drive by shootings out of them?
You dealing with morons who are afraid of ugly guns instead of firepower. They should have learned by now, that stuffing a 30 round magazine into a Ruger mini 14 is no less deadly than a black AR-15 assault (?) rifle. In fact there was a FBI shootout in Miami in 1986; where two bank robbers were armed with those same weapons. One is illegal and the other is not in some places.

The M-1 Garand uses an 8 shot clip.

The M-1 carbine is legal in Kommiefornia; but original 15 round magazines are not. The Johnson and SVT have a PC ten round magazine. If Springfield can sell their M1A's with a 10 round magazine; then Ohio Ordnance could do the same thing with it's BAR clone too.

Somebody told me that they want to federalize the gun laws adopted in the Land of Fruits $ Nuts 20 years ago and then some. Some of us laughed our azzes off; when these anti-gun politicians left several guns off their list of 54 banned models which met their established criteria. Wanna bet that they've never even heard of that Johnson rifle, even though MIL-TECH Enterprises rebuilds them from scratch just south of a gun free zone called San Francisco?
 

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Not to be a smarty pants, but why are the Thompson and Caliber .30 U.S. Carbine listed but not the M1941 Johnson, M1-Garand, B.A.R., and S.V.T. not? I mean after all, the ones not listed do technically meet their requirements to be categorized as such. Or is it because the naughty gangster monkeys in the concrete jungle don't often make sawed off weapons to use in drive by shootings out of them?
They are included in the bill:
"there shall be a rebuttable presumption that a firearm procured for use by the United States military or any federal law enforcement agency is not particularly suitable for sporting purposes"
That means ANY firearm acquired for service in the military, and I bet they will be creative with when they were in service (which means doesnt matter when).
This crap makes me sick.....
Its interesting to point out that its different this time around, we have the internet now to uproot all the news and details curtailing the new government change, unlike the carter or clinton eras. Wether or not things are exagerated and what is "true" will always be argured though. Me, im a worst-case-scenario kind of guy, wont suprise me if all this BS comes to pass
 

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Yes, HB 1022 has been around for quite some time, and allows Obama and his AG to place any guns on the ban list that happened to sneak by last time.

Therefore, removing obsolete bayonets, obsolete grenade launchers, bayo lugs, etc., won't work this time.
 

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All weapons, not just firearms, can be construed as "military" weapons. Humanoids slaughtered each other for millenia before gun powder came along.

The federal government is lost. Write to your state senators and representatives. Start petitions. Push for secession. Join the NRA or equivalent. Buy a hunting license even if you don't hunt. Get a concealed carry permit.

Nothing gets a politicians attention faster that the idea of losing his/her power.

Try to keep the enemy confused for two more years, then vote in some conservative independents into the U.S. congress. We can unravel the demorepublican strangle hold one strand at a time.
 

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The Fed isn't lost,....

...just clueless. She's an old fat lady, and is going to have to be put on a diet. First things first. No food. Stop feeding the Federal Pig.

Break their ability to track transactions. That's going to kill E-Bay, and Pay-pal, and possibly even Gunbrokers. Go F2F wherever possible.
 

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More hype than truth (am not referencing forum members)

The Bush41 ban (Comprehensive Violent Crime Control Act) which was introduced in 1989, eventually signed into law by Clinton in 1994 and allowed to die a few years ago is probably what gun-control legislators will try to resurrect, if anything in Obama's first term. Way too many major issues on the front burner to stir this hornet's nest up. My neighbor seems to be losing sleep worrying about the issue because he brings it up every time we're at the range. My bet and I can be as wrong as anyone else is that we're not going to have a big push by Kennedy-Feinstein-Pelosi-Shumer etal to go after guns in the middle of an economic meltdown and major foreign policy problems. I'm not worrying about it and bet if I live another 20 years (improbable), I'll still have my Garands.

Interesting list of weapons included in Bush's list, similar to those listed above:

  • Norinco, Mitchell, and Poly Technologies Avtomat Kalashnikovs (all models);
  • Action Arms Israeli Military Industries UZI and Galil;
  • Beretta Ar70 (SC-70);
  • Colt AR-15;
  • Fabrique National FN/FAL, FN/LAR, and FNC;
  • SWD M-10; M-11; M-11/9, and M-12;
  • Steyr AUG;
  • INTRATEC TEC-9, TEC-DC9, AND TEC-22;
  • revolving cylinder shotguns such as (or similar to) the Street Sweeper and Striker 12.
Bush also authorized the ATF to expand the list but exempted domestic manufacturers to a large extent.
 

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History

Most of the people here remember all this stuff but some of the younger members may have no recollection of the efforts in the 80's to ban 'assault rifles'. The point is to remember that we can get mentally locked into thinking one political party or group of people will attempt to go after our firearms which sets people up to be blindsided by the folks we trust.

Best to be aware of the precedents, and have 360 degree vision.

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=950DE6DB1738F93BA35754C0A96F948260
 

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It really doesn't matter what interest groups want to do now that Heller v DC has been decided and the SCOTUS has decided that the people may be equipped with weapons of sufficiency for self-defense...that pretty much means .22 caliber weapons are out and "common calibers" --- 9 mm, .40, .45, .38/.357 being the most normally utilized handgun calibers of choice---by implication are those most likely to stop a human threat. I just hope the NRA continues to push the issue in those jurisdictions which ban large caliber rifles. I suspect that with all the corporate fraud cases to prosecute, DOJ resources will not be utilized to go after gun owners unless the weapon is used in the commission of a crime.

This would be one of the rare times I would agree with the SC picks of President Bush II.
 

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You may need this info soon!

ARRESTING A POLICEMAN.
Some time it may become necessary to arrest a policeman; and in that event, all you have to do is to carry out the following instructions with celerity and precision.

Get on his left side, a little at the rear, (1) with your right hand catch hold of the lower end of his club which hangs in his belt at the left side, and turn it outward to the left and upward, so that it will bear across his left arm just above the elbow; while you are doing this with the right hand, catch hold of his left wrist with your left hand, holding his arm back against his club, to keep it straight, and with your right hand push the top end or handle of the club against his left side, just above, and slightly in front of the pelvis bone . This hurts terribly in two places; the middle of his arm and at the end of the club in his flank. Be careful of the latter point. It is one of the knock-outs of JIU-JITSU and apt to cause collapse.

The writer asked permission to try this experiment, just for practice, on a New York policeman, and after grasping his left wrist and turning up the club in the above manner, as if it were one motion, the officer was asked what there was for him to do in a case like that. He replied, between gasps of pain, that there was nothing he could do without breaking his arm or killing himself.
 

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They are included in the bill:
"there shall be a rebuttable presumption that a firearm procured for use by the United States military or any federal law enforcement agency is not particularly suitable for sporting purposes"
That means ANY firearm acquired for service in the military, and I bet they will be creative with when they were in service (which means doesnt matter when).
This crap makes me sick.....
Its interesting to point out that its different this time around, we have the internet now to uproot all the news and details curtailing the new government change, unlike the carter or clinton eras. Wether or not things are exagerated and what is "true" will always be argured though. Me, im a worst-case-scenario kind of guy, wont suprise me if all this BS comes to pass
Which means that thousands of those Remington model 700s have been purchased by the military and police SWAT team snipers. They aren't going hunting with one of the most popular deer slayers ever made.

We could go back in history and ban several pump and semi-automatic 12 guage shotguns; because they were used in the trenches during WW1 and later by the police in the Roaring 20s gangster era.

I turned down the chance to buy a surplus police department issued Winchester model 12; because I didn't wanna keep having to justy owning it. This thing had the law enforcement agency's name and even their car door seal engraved into the left side of the receiver...
 

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ARRESTING A POLICEMAN.
Some time it may become necessary to arrest a policeman; and in that event, all you have to do is to carry out the following instructions with celerity and precision.

Get on his left side, a little at the rear, (1) with your right hand catch hold of the lower end of his club which hangs in his belt at the left side, and turn it outward to the left and upward, so that it will bear across his left arm just above the elbow; while you are doing this with the right hand, catch hold of his left wrist with your left hand, holding his arm back against his club, to keep it straight, and with your right hand push the top end or handle of the club against his left side, just above, and slightly in front of the pelvis bone . This hurts terribly in two places; the middle of his arm and at the end of the club in his flank. Be careful of the latter point. It is one of the knock-outs of JIU-JITSU and apt to cause collapse.

The writer asked permission to try this experiment, just for practice, on a New York policeman, and after grasping his left wrist and turning up the club in the above manner, as if it were one motion, the officer was asked what there was for him to do in a case like that. He replied, between gasps of pain, that there was nothing he could do without breaking his arm or killing himself.
That is kind of silly since most uniformed LEOs now carry ASP batons and Tasers.
 

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The Bush41 ban (Comprehensive Violent Crime Control Act) which was introduced in 1989, eventually signed into law by Clinton in 1994 and allowed to die a few years ago is probably what gun-control legislators will try to resurrect, if anything in Obama's first term. Way too many major issues on the front burner to stir this hornet's nest up. My neighbor seems to be losing sleep worrying about the issue because he brings it up every time we're at the range. My bet and I can be as wrong as anyone else is that we're not going to have a big push by Kennedy-Feinstein-Pelosi-Shumer etal to go after guns in the middle of an economic meltdown and major foreign policy problems. I'm not worrying about it and bet if I live another 20 years (improbable), I'll still have my Garands.

Interesting list of weapons included in Bush's list, similar to those listed above:

  • Norinco, Mitchell, and Poly Technologies Avtomat Kalashnikovs (all models);
  • Action Arms Israeli Military Industries UZI and Galil;
  • Beretta Ar70 (SC-70);
  • Colt AR-15;
  • Fabrique National FN/FAL, FN/LAR, and FNC;
  • SWD M-10; M-11; M-11/9, and M-12;
  • Steyr AUG;
  • INTRATEC TEC-9, TEC-DC9, AND TEC-22;
  • revolving cylinder shotguns such as (or similar to) the Street Sweeper and Striker 12.
Bush also authorized the ATF to expand the list but exempted domestic manufacturers to a large extent.
These idiots don't seem to know that SWD didn't have the MONOPOLY on making these guns. I used to have one made by RPB Industries of Atlanta Georgia.

Some of us also remember that the gun experts in the Kalifornia state legislature didn't even have the brains, to include Patrick Purdy's Norinco 56S (AK/s-47) on their original list of 54 banned assault weapons as defined by morons named Roos and Roberti.

USA Magazines Inc rose from the ashes of this silly gun control law. We found ourselves with a new supply of high capacity magazines made for sporters like the Remington 742/7400 series of rifles. Most of these were chambered for calibers which make the 7.62x39mm and 5.56x45mm rounds look like a pea shooter. Who needs an UZI or a MAC-10; when you could buy an extended 30 round magazine that fit into the grips of a 9mm Beretta, Browning, S&W, Ruger, Taurus and many more. Back to square one in 1992.

They still can't stop the drugs from crossing the state and internatuonal borders. They can't somebody from getting high capacity magazines either. So you buy them at gun shows and the stores while the wife is gambling in Reno or Vegas...
 
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