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Oh Happy Day !!!

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Topic author: japkrap
Subject: Oh Happy Day !!!
Posted on: 05/02/2007 06:44:46 AM
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With special thanks to Victor Soto I too am happy to report a sniper match-up, this time it's a Type-99 4X sniper with it's original scope... I recently sent Vic the information on my 3 Japanese sniper rifles and within a few days Vic was back to me with information that ultimately led to a scope swap w/ cash deal for the matching # scope for my rifle... Without Vic's help this probably never would have happened, Vic I can't thank you enough !!!

Here's a few pictures of the reunion...

Also, One thing I find very interesting is that the numbers on both the rifle and the scope both have the same offset angles, the 2 is aligned properly while the 4 is slightly tilted to the right and then the 5 is raised and tilted to the right even more, maybe this is just a coincidence but it is a near perfect match, It would appear that the stamping on both was done by the same person...

Cheers, Rick
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Reply author: 03man
Replied on: 05/02/2007 08:07:55 AM
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Another great story, congrats.

Reply author: arisakadogs
Replied on: 05/02/2007 08:38:57 AM
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That is so cool! Congratulations.
Does that dust cover match? I kinda thought these Nagoya '99 snipers were made without the covers since they have late 5th - early 6th series features.
Sure would be nice to find out how these scopes got so mixed up!
Thanks for the "gun porn" (I like that term)


Reply author: unleashedndest
Replied on: 05/02/2007 11:01:35 AM
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Rick that's great congrats Victor on another matchup

Reply author: quark
Replied on: 05/02/2007 11:16:38 AM
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Great luck!

Reply author: byf45
Replied on: 05/02/2007 12:31:43 PM
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Having been fortunate to work with Victor over the years in various areas of research on Japanese snipers, I can state with certain fact his passion, dedication and knowledge are equalled only by an elite few.
Several collectors have now benefitted from the considerable efforts he puts forth in re-uniting these scopes and rifles after 60+ years apart.
Oustanding work, Little Vern!
/JB
PS: Keep on sending any and all sniper-related data to: [email protected]

Reply author: smokediver216
Replied on: 05/02/2007 1:10:47 PM
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CONGRATS, GOOD GOING VIC

Reply author: japkrap
Replied on: 05/02/2007 1:41:29 PM
Message:
Thanks Guys...

Rob, the cover does not match, hopefully I'll find a correct numbered cover for it someday...

BTW: On Peleliu last January we found 3 more hockey sticks in the same cave yours came from, unbelieveable...

Cheers, Rick

Reply author: fredh
Replied on: 05/02/2007 2:43:59 PM
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Rick, another terrific example! Wish I could be so lucky.

Reply author: pacific-war44
Replied on: 05/02/2007 2:53:57 PM
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I'm passing Vic's name along to the Pope for canonization,I thought the '97 yesterday was a lucky fluke,this is his second miracle,BEHOLD!

Reply author: jsz
Replied on: 05/02/2007 3:07:12 PM
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Rick, a great looking and early t99 example!
Is the eye cup original?
Thanks for sharing.

Reply author: Jareth
Replied on: 05/02/2007 3:55:24 PM
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C'mon put a real sling on that rifle!

Reply author: japkrap
Replied on: 05/02/2007 4:58:40 PM
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Hey Guys,

jsz: Yes that is an original hard as a rock eye cup, and congrats on the 97 match up, a very nice rig indeed... If by chance you could be interested in an outrageous trade for it drop me an email at [email protected]

Jareth: That is a 100% original rubberized canvas sling, I bought several of them from Sakae Shimizu (margarate on Ebay) a number of years ago...

Here's some pics...

Cheers, Rick
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Reply author: mike radford
Replied on: 05/02/2007 5:12:33 PM
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Beautiful rifle Rick. Good work Victor.

Reply author: Vicasoto
Replied on: 05/02/2007 5:33:55 PM
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Hey guys:
this board gets more interesting by the minute.... :)), have heard the rumor monger that I was being nominated for matchmaker at the Academy of Arts, and now am to be cannonixed by the Pope !.
Now figure this there are 3 more possible matchings in the works: Kokura 99 # 276, Nagoya 99 # 965, and Nagoya 97 # 10760. Have data but no sure locations on two others both Nagoya cut-backs # 5422 and 6506.
Out of the 12 known matching rigs for which I have recognizable data, my research has been involved in the last 5, one in 2000, two in 2006, and so far 2 in 2007. One of the two in 2006 happened to me acquiring the scope for 99 # 5225, I just could not shake Mr. Nagasaka from his rifle so I ended up trading scopes, got the one for 6506 in trade and the rifle for this one is somewhere in Florida, will see if it ever surfaces.
vicasoto

Reply author: Jareth
Replied on: 05/02/2007 5:34:13 PM
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Sorry Rick I do remember that discovered cache of original,unissued, rolled slings without keepers or hardware BUT it still looks way to new.At first I thought it was one you'd made.

Reply author: fredh
Replied on: 05/02/2007 5:49:23 PM
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Oh, yes, Vic, I caught Don C. at the Lakeland show last week and passed along the info on the matching scope for the other T99 sniper. The ball's in his court now.

Reply author: japkrap
Replied on: 05/02/2007 7:07:23 PM
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Hi Jareth,

Nothing to be sorry about, sometimes I can't believe they are originals either, they look as new as the day they were made and they still have the peach fuzz on them to boot...

Cheers, Rick

Reply author: arisakadogs
Replied on: 05/02/2007 11:21:16 PM
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quote: Originally posted by japkrap
Thanks Guys...
Rob, the cover does not match, hopefully I'll find a correct numbered cover for it someday...
BTW: On Peleliu last January we found 3 more hockey sticks in the same cave yours came from, unbelieveable...
Cheers, Rick
Rick, I think no cover on it would be absolutely correct. Very interesting on the "hockey stick's". Cavalry tools on Peleliu - fascinating.

Reply author: okha
Replied on: 05/03/2007 12:53:40 AM
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We Japanese collectors are very fortunate to have a dedicated researcher like Vic Soto. His dedication to the field of sniper rifles and scopes goes beyond the norm of most collectors. By helping me match my type 99 sniper to his scope, show his unselfishness willingness to reunite pieces of history for the purpose of preservation and keeping original pieces together. Without sharing his knowledge I would not have known this scope existed. His ethics in collecting is way above most, including myself (I ended up with the match and benefitted from his research). We are lucky to have a man like Mr. Soto who does research for the love of hobby and to the benefit of all Japanese collectors. Thank you Vic.

Reply author: Edokko
Replied on: 05/03/2007 03:25:21 AM
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Wow, the ultimate butter-up !


Reply author: arisakadogs
Replied on: 05/03/2007 09:07:12 AM
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Do you think the canonization will be covered on CNN?


Great work Vic, it was great visiting with you this last weekend!

Reply author: Clyde from Carolina
Replied on: 05/03/2007 09:41:09 AM
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Love to see stories like this when everything comes together. In my other hobby, vintage watches, similar miracles happen every now and then.

On one of the collector forums, a moderator posted a photo essay of his early 40s Hamilton 992B railroad watch that he had re-united with its original inner and outer shipping boxes. Really amazing, and something akin to a sniper being put back together with its original scope.

Gotta love happy endings.


Reply author: f. marut
Replied on: 05/03/2007 10:38:13 AM
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I guess after 60+ years, as more of this stuff ends up in collector hands and can be tracked by them, the possibility is better than ever of finding a match. I got three quick stories like this. About five years ago a friend whom owned a Gew98 sniper rifle w/o scope found his matching serial numbered scope with case on German Ebay. This rifle had one of the more unusual & scarce mounting systems & when the scope arrived it fit as one would expect the factory matched scope should.
Back in the early 90s another friend got a K98k long siderail sniper w/mismatched scope mount. When he told me the serial number of it & then the rifle, I told him I once owned his matched mount. After a few moments of dead silence on the phone, he asked if I knew where it was, which I was pretty sure I did. He subsequently was able to trade it from the current owner to match his rifle (now that I think of it, he still owes me a lunch for that, too!).
Lastly, I was at a show in San Jose (PRC) in the early 1980s. A German pistol collector I knew showed me a 85% matched Walther HP pistol he had just bought. Two hours later he saw a virtually identical pistol sitting on a table @ the other end of the hall. He stared at it & realized it must be the one he had just bought. Running back to his table, he reached under it only to find the pistol still there. When he went back to the other Walther, he bought it, because it was consecutively numbered to his first pistol! Both were nearly identical in condition. You gotta' wonder what were the chances of these two pistols, the "brother & sister", consecutively numbered, turning up at the same show & being bought by the same collector...reunited after five years of war & 45 years later!

Reply author: pacific-war44
Replied on: 05/03/2007 11:04:45 AM
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So what's the best speculation oh HOW these scopes/guns got m/m'ed in the first place? Vets finding the scopes in cans in country and bringing them home? Then as they trickled down through the show/shop circuit they found their way onto scopeless rifles picked up by other GIs? I for one have seen and handled-even owned-more scopeless rifles than optic equipped ones. Makes ya wonder how the bulk of which came into GI's hands,not so much from being"shot ouuta a tree"but surrendered and out of piles,and the scopes and or scopes in cans being picked up as trinkets off surrendering troops,or found in garrison stores. Wish Leonard Nimoy did an In Search Of on this...

Reply author: japkrap
Replied on: 05/05/2007 2:28:22 PM
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I'm going to take it to the range on Monday (along with my Owen SMG) and try it out...

I'm curious to see if it is accurate...

I will post a report w/ pictures early next week...

Cheers, Rick

Reply author: Clyde from Carolina
Replied on: 05/05/2007 3:09:26 PM
Message:
Look forward to the shooting report (An Owen, too?? My, you have some VERY cool toys)


Reply author: pacific-war44
Replied on: 05/06/2007 02:01:04 AM
Message:







quote: Originally posted by arisakadogs
Do you think the canonization will be covered on CNN?
Great work Vic, it was great visiting with you this last weekend!
Hey yea,I see the white smoke! Oh wait,that's just Don blowing up a trainer with a live round,heh....

Reply author: 03man
Replied on: 05/06/2007 9:49:47 PM
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Chances are getting slim for us to test a trainer with live rounds. No one has stepped up with a sacrificial barreled action. Darn things are everywhere when you don't want on.
Help!

Reply author: pacific-war44
Replied on: 05/07/2007 01:29:29 AM
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Maybe nobody wants to see ya get hurt? Trust him folks,he's a perfessional! You still got that chunk of sewer pipe to stick it in,equipped with LONG lanyard? Wish i had a junker to try out. My thing is to try a '99 trainer(bigger bore?) and load some casings with a light load of black powder,and a shot capsule,and use it for trick shots like Anne Oakley did with Colt Lightning pumps stoked with shot,and bust up glass balls,bowling pins,ect. BP produces a light pressure,may just work.

Reply author: japkrap
Replied on: 05/07/2007 06:16:07 AM
Message:
Hey Guys,

How do we go from matched snipers to blowing up trainers ??
It seem that on just about every thread it goes from a good topic to a load of crap...

Reply author: 03man
Replied on: 05/07/2007 08:22:35 AM
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japkrap,
I do not see how a scientific experiment can be deemed a load of ....
Pacwar44 made the segway as an aside comment; I do think there is merit in determining if a trainer fired with live ammo could be the source of the " japanese rifles blow up" rumors and stories that have been around since the war.

Reply author: pacific-war44
Replied on: 05/07/2007 08:29:37 AM
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Variety is the spice of life? And you gotta remember,some of us drink late at night!

Reply author: Clyde from Carolina
Replied on: 05/07/2007 09:09:14 AM
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quote: Originally posted by pacific-war44
Variety is the spice of life? And you gotta remember,some of us drink late at night!
True.


Reply author: Otter
Replied on: 05/07/2007 11:52:46 AM
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What are you actually referring to by "hockey sticks"? I haven't heard that one before...


Reply author: 03man
Replied on: 05/07/2007 2:48:50 PM
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Otter,
at the risk of angering 'jap....' and taking his thread further off topic, a hockey stick is a cleaning rod for certain japanese pistols, due to the shape of the cleaning rod, ie. like a hockey stick.

Reply author: unleashedndest
Replied on: 05/07/2007 9:13:11 PM
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ok back to topic....rick how did the scope and rifle work out at the range?

Reply author: arisakadogs
Replied on: 05/07/2007 11:13:10 PM
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quote: Originally posted by 03man
Otter,
at the risk of angering 'jap....' and taking his thread further off topic, a hockey stick is a cleaning rod for certain japanese pistols, due to the shape of the cleaning rod, ie. like a hockey stick.
Not so. The hockey stick is a tool carried on the outside of the cavalry style ammo pouch. I heard, from somewhere, that it may have been used to clean the horses hooves.

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Reply author: 03man
Replied on: 05/08/2007 08:30:08 AM
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Dogs,
you may be absolutely correct; I have also heard the simple 'L' shaped cleaning rod referred to, perhaps incorrectly, as a 'hockey' stick also.

Reply author: arisakadogs
Replied on: 05/08/2007 08:45:09 AM
Message:
There is a longer "hockey stick" with a patch-eye tip that comes in the rifle cleaning kit. It has often been incorrectly IDed as a pistol cleaning rod. These may be brass or steel.
Now we're way OT, he he. These threads are like children - you bring them into the world but then you have to let them go as they have a life of their own.

Reply author: fingolfen
Replied on: 05/08/2007 12:51:55 PM
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quote:
Not so. The hockey stick is a tool carried on the outside of the cavalry style ammo pouch. I heard, from somewhere, that it may have been used to clean the horses hooves.
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would need to see one closer - it's not outside the realm of possibility that that could be used as a hoof pick. I own three horses myself and I could post photos of modern hoof picks for comparison.

Reply author: arisakadogs
Replied on: 05/08/2007 10:15:11 PM
Message:
I'll start a new thread on this.


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Hockey Sticks

This was a topic of a previous thread on the old forum. I proposed that this tool was used to clean out the gunk that builds up in the area where the sliding dust cover would enter the right side of a Type 38 stock. Too much gunk, and the bolt won't close when the cover slides forward. Also, that is the reason I proposed for the little half circle cut-out of the Type 38 stock, and the hole found on the right side of Type 99 stocks (up until the later series).

The cleaning of hooves doesn't seem likely to me since a similar cleaning tool is found in Type 38 infantry squad cleaning kits.

John in Charlotte, NC
 
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