Gunboards Forums banner

1 - 14 of 14 Posts

·
Diamond with Oak Clusters Bullet Member
Joined
·
60,018 Posts
Discussion Starter #1

·
Platinum Bullet member
Joined
·
20,336 Posts
Better question: What kind of disturbance did she cause that prompted the need to cuff & corral her?

The woman became irate when she was late to her plane and it was already preparing to depart. She was rebooked on a later flight, but got all pissy because a later flight apparently just wasn't good enough. Evidently the airline was supposed to stop the plane and let her on.

The resulting hissy fit that brought her to Police attention and ended up with her death was due to 2 factors: 1 - Woman, 45 years old, and 2- from New York.

Anyone with such an inflated sense of self worth who causes a big flap over being late to her flight and actually expecting them to stop the plane just for her, probably needs mechanical restraint, especially if she's still screaming when placed into the holding area.

That she wouldn't shut up long enough to rationally realize that cops are gonna leave ther cuffs on until she behaves, was her downfall.

Her death may be regrettable, but was likely the best for those family and friends who had to contend with her aging princess personality.

Moral of the story: Listen to Airline Security when they tell you to arrive 2 hours before your flight is scheduled to depart. AND, if you're 45 years old and are not an accomplished and limber contortionist, don't try to flip your handcuffed limbs from back to front via your neck. :eek:
 

·
Diamond with Oak Clusters Bullet Member
Joined
·
60,018 Posts
Discussion Starter #3 (Edited)
Still, if your hands are handcuffed behind your back, how do you get them up to your neck ?? Anf then choke your self with them ??
 

·
Diamond with Oak Clusters and Swords member
Joined
·
11,174 Posts
Still, if your hands are handcuffed behind your back, how do you get them up to your neck ?? Anf then choke your self with them ??
It isn't anything that you practice since if you do it right you only do it once!
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
3,811 Posts
Better question: What kind of disturbance did she cause that prompted the need to cuff & corral her?

The woman became irate when she was late to her plane and it was already preparing to depart. She was rebooked on a later flight, but got all pissy because a later flight apparently just wasn't good enough. Evidently the airline was supposed to stop the plane and let her on.

The resulting hissy fit that brought her to Police attention and ended up with her death was due to 2 factors: 1 - Woman, 45 years old, and 2- from New York.

Anyone with such an inflated sense of self worth who causes a big flap over being late to her flight and actually expecting them to stop the plane just for her, probably needs mechanical restraint, especially if she's still screaming when placed into the holding area.

That she wouldn't shut up long enough to rationally realize that cops are gonna leave ther cuffs on until she behaves, was her downfall.

Her death may be regrettable, but was likely the best for those family and friends who had to contend with her aging princess personality.

Moral of the story: Listen to Airline Security when they tell you to arrive 2 hours before your flight is scheduled to depart. AND, if you're 45 years old and are not an accomplished and limber contortionist, don't try to flip your handcuffed limbs from back to front via your neck. :eek:

Eichmann would haved seriously loved you!
 

·
Platinum Bullet member
Joined
·
20,336 Posts

·
Registered
Joined
·
6,607 Posts
Condensed version :

Self important person creates difficult situation due to lack of self control.
Self important person escalates difficult situation due to lack of self control.
Self important person is restrained due to lack of self control.
Self important person continues to escalate already difficult situation while restrained and ends difficult situation due to lack of self control.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
7,908 Posts
....The cause of this womans death is not yet known, so saying what killed her is premature. I've put handcuffed suspects in holding cells lots of times, especially if they are angry and fighting. It's a holding cell, not the cell where they'll end up residing. Somebody has got to go back in and get them out and if you uncuff 'em, there is a good chance you'll have to fight them again to take 'em out. When folks lose their temper, lose control and fight any and every thing, it often calms them to be left alone with nothing to do, nobody to yell at or fight, just them. Her family may well ask why was she left alone. It's easy now to see that she's dead and might not be if someone was with her every minute ( maybe not, back to what killed her ) but prisoners are left alone in the millions every day and a very small number die. Even if you could require every prisoner to be watched 24/7, would you want to ? I know....lets only watch the ones who are going to quit breathing. We'd have to depend on somebody who can devine the future with certainty.....Eichmann's gone, how about Connie ?
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
7,908 Posts
...The AP has a story that states this woman was on her way to an alcohol rehab center in Tucson and was seated on a bench, handcuffed behind her with a chain holding her handcuffs to an eyelet in the wall...an anchor bolt.
..The story also says she was found with her hands around her neck. For the life of me I can't envision how that occured, but more info will come out.
 

·
Silver Bullet member
Joined
·
36,341 Posts
The Mother-in-Law is a big New York snot - so this merited an NYTimes editorial once again telling us what MUST be done:

October 3, 2007
Editorial - New York Times
A Death at the Phoenix Airport
Carol Gotbaum was a troubled woman seeking treatment for alcohol abuse in Tucson. She was on her way there last Friday when she missed a flight in Phoenix. That apparently panicked her and led, mysteriously, abruptly and horribly, to her death in police custody.

Ms. Gotbaum’s tragic encounter with the Phoenix police is getting attention because she came from a prominent family. Her stepmother-in-law, Public Advocate Betsy Gotbaum, is New York’s second-highest-ranking elected official. But it raises larger questions about how airport security officials are doing their jobs.

The details of the death remain murky. Ms. Gotbaum, a 45-year-old weighing 105 pounds, was described as agitated and screaming when she missed her connection. The police were summoned. They subdued and handcuffed her, arresting her for disorderly conduct. That should have been enough, but Ms. Gotbaum was then shackled to a bench in an airport holding cell, where she was left alone to quiet down — despite having reportedly told police she was a “sick mom” and needed help. The police say she died of asphyxiation and was found with a shackle chain at her throat.

“She cried out for help,” Betsy Gotbaum said in a statement, “but her pleas appear to have been met with mistreatment.”

It is not clear what, if any, mistreatment occurred, but among the questions that need answers are the cause of her death, and why an obviously troubled woman was not placed under better supervision. Since Sept. 11, 2001, there have been widespread reports of airport security officials mistreating travelers and quickly escalating minor incidents further than they needed to go.

An autopsy may offer some clues, and investigations are under way. They should look not only at Ms. Gotbaum’s case, but also at what can be done to bring more reason and professionalism to airport security.
 

·
Moderator / Gold Bullet member
Joined
·
2,414 Posts
Latest info indicates that it was the shackling chain that ended up across her throat. I can envision a scenario where she tried to work the cuffs from behind her, under her butt, slipped, and ended up with the cuffs under her and her hanging from the chain. Just a guess. Too bad it happened, but right now it looks like she brought it on herself.
 

·
Platinum Bullet member
Joined
·
20,336 Posts
The question also was asked about why, if she was an unstable person on her way to rehab, was she traveling unattended? No comment on that from the family.
 
1 - 14 of 14 Posts
Top