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The thing about crummy policies is it takes years for the results to manifest. The Republican who replaces Obama will no doubt have to deal with the mess, just as Bush had to.
To be blunt, I do not think it will take that long. Obama and the media have already declared the 'War on Terror' over. Essentially, they have bared our throats to the radicals.

We are BEYOND boned.

Some of the worries about moving the Gitmo prisoners here are concerns over terrorist safety amongst OUR prisoners. Could you imagine some Taliban fighter in Folsom? Want to lay odds on which prison gang takes credit for giving that guy the Dahmer treatment?

Considering that the other countries can only whine about what Bush did with the Gitmo prisoners and offered no solutions, nor offered their own shores as depositories, folks like Carcano have nothing to complain about. Best to ignore them as they have made themselves irrellevent.

I would not lose one bit of sleep if they just popped them into various max security prisons and let the inmates deal with them as they see fit.

That would be justice served.
 

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Friday, January 23, 2009 Washington Times
EDITORIAL: A perilous road on terror

President Obama, during his first full day in office, signed an executive order temporarily halting military tribunals for terrorist suspects at the Guantanamo Bay prison in Cuba. Yesterday, he ordered the closing of that facility within one year. He signed another executive order shutting down "black sites" -- secret locations where CIA and foreign security services interrogated terror suspects abroad. Let's hope Mr. Obama has thought this thing out, in order to ensure that none of these actions present a clear and present danger.

Undoubtedly, the gaggle of antiwar groups that have protested the treatment of enemy combatants is sincere. Golly, most detainees are held in mesh-sided cells, and the lights are kept on during all hours, even while the detainees are trying to sleep. Gee, they are often kept in isolation, and are generally only allowed to converse in groups of no more than three people. Wow, when being transported to other parts of the camp, they are required to wear blindfolds. Some who have been released (and this is straight from one of the protesting organizations) claim that they underwent spiritual torture as they were denied access to their religious books of study. This is horrifying stuff! Why so many of these detainees are appealing not to be sent back to their own countries for further carrying out of their cases is baffling.

OK, enough of the sarcasm. The prison at Guantanamo Bay, or "Gitmo," as the swabs call it, has become a symbol. Just as a few MPs at Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq acted disgracefully (seven were convicted by courts martial, sentenced to prison and given dishonorable discharges), there may be legal wrongs and/or morally questionable acts that interrogation personnel conducted at Gitmo or other sites. The Cuban naval base is not considered by the court system to be a part of the United States, and therefore detainees are denied rights granted to criminals under the U.S. Constitution.

Earlier this month the Pentagon's Defense Intelligence Agency reported that 18 former Gitmo detainees were confirmed to have returned to terrorism since their release from custody, and another 43 are suspected of "returning to the fight." That's 61 of about 500 militants and terror suspects freed or transferred to other governments since the first detainees arrived at Gitmo in 2002. The report is based on fingerprints, photographs and intelligence reports, and one wonders how many have been involved in terrorist activity without the U.S. government finding out. Fifty of the 255 men still held there cannot return to their home countries because of the risk they would be tortured or persecuted there.

The characters at Gitmo are reminiscent of a scene out of a 1967 movie, "The Dirty Dozen," about a dozen psychopaths, murderers and assorted other criminals in a World War II Army prison, promised release if they go on a special mission. Their commander, Maj. Reisman (Lee Marvin), looks them over and asks the MP, Sgt. Bowren (Richard Jaekel), "What do you think?" to which he replies, "I think the first chance one of these guys gets, he'll shoot the Major in the back." President Bush prevented that sort of possibility. President Obama needs to consider this also.

One case that illustrates the potential pratfalls involved in freeing Gitmo detainees is that of Mohammed Qahtani - the suspected "20th hijacker" who tried to gain entry to the United States in order to participate in the September 11 attacks. Mohammed Atta, who piloted American Airlines Flight 11 into the World Trade Center, went to meet Qahtani on Aug. 4, 2001, when he arrived at the airport in Orlando, Fla. But Qahtani was denied entry to the United States by a suspicious Customs agent. So, he made his way to the battlefield, where he was captured in December 2001 and subsequently turned over to U.S. forces. On Jan. 14, The Washington Post ran a front-page story about Qahtani titled: "Detainee Tortured, Says U.S. Official." The story quoted Susan J. Crawford, the top Pentagon official charged wth deciding whether to bring Gitmo detainees to trial, as stating that Qahtani was "tortured" with techniques that included sustained isolation, sleep deprivation and nudity.

Buried 11 paragraphs inside the story was another quote from Judge Crawford, which should serve as a warning to people about the dangers posed by Gitmo detainees like Qahtani. "There's no doubt in my mind he would've been on one of those [planes hijacked on September 11] had he gained access to the country in August 2001, " Judge Crawford said. "He's a muscle hijacker ... He's a very dangerous man. What do you do with him now if you don't charge him and try him? I would be hesitant to say, 'Let him go.' " Mr. Obama would do well to move cautiously when it comes to reversing the Bush administration's approach to dealing with people like Qahtani - an approach that has helped keep this nation safe for more than seven years.
 

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I used to work with a guy who was a guard at Gitmo. He didn't (couldn't) say too much but lets just say that the popular conception (ie. Liberal propaganda) of those "poor people just fighting for their Country" is almost total BS. :rolleyes:
 

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Been on the news over here (UK) that the Prime Minister has said the UK would accept prisoners from Guantanamo Bay on it's closure. These would, of course, be people with no connection to the the UK; they could not be imprisoned or put on trial, so would be free to settle in the UK and do whatever they like. At the UK's expense, of course. Can't see the logic there, to me the obvious solution would be to return them to their country of origin, whichever third world pest hole it may be.
 

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Had a Reservist friend that returned from Afghanistan a year ago after spending a year guarding some of these folks. He was as tired as a man could be. He was spent. He talked about the interesting non-military personnel that would show up to remove some of the prisoners and drop of others.

All rather clandestine and "spooky." However, my friend did not sympathize with his charges because many let it be known that they would kill a GI if given any opportunity. Assaults, attempted assaults, and every means of humiliation or contempt by the inmates were everyday occurrences. This wasn't Otis in Sheriff Taylor's drunk tank we're talking about.

Many were indeed set free and our personnel risked their lives -and came under fire- delivering the accused "back" to where they said they came from.

We've got a lot of good people trying to do their jobs in a humane and fair fashion. We've got enemies that don't wear uniforms and lie.
 

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I think the smartest enemy simply turns your greatest strength into your greatest weakness. Isn't this happening? Maybe those we fight are not as stupid as we think. Half the country is just too stupid to think about what we are in over there.
 

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Been on the news over here (UK) that the Prime Minister has said the UK would accept prisoners from Guantanamo Bay on it's closure. These would, of course, be people with no connection to the the UK; they could not be imprisoned or put on trial, so would be free to settle in the UK and do whatever they like. At the UK's expense, of course. Can't see the logic there, to me the obvious solution would be to return them to their country of origin, whichever third world pest hole it may be.
You are crazy to take these people,I can't believe the yanks had the bloody cheek to even ask you to.They should be settled in the USA or sent back to their own countries,but they are NOT Britain's or any other third parties problem.They were rounded up and held at the behest of the USA and they are THEIR problem to deal with.No-one elses.
 

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You are crazy to take these people,I can't believe the yanks had the bloody cheek to even ask you to.They should be settled in the USA or sent back to their own countries,but they are NOT Britain's or any other third parties problem.They were rounded up and held at the behest of the USA and they are THEIR problem to deal with.No-one elses.

I agree, they should all be shot. Problem solved....
 

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Obama closes Gitmo

I have the solution to the problem. Send them down to Phoenix and let Uncle Joe teach them what being confined is really like. Their Gitmo vacation will be over and they will never want to screw with the USA again when Joe gets through with them.
 

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I have the solution to the problem. Send them down to Phoenix and let Uncle Joe teach them what being confined is really like. Their Gitmo vacation will be over and they will never want to screw with the USA again when Joe gets through with them.

Nah - send them to Texas and we'll put them on Eastham Farm. Or maybe Louisiana for a stretch in Angola. They'll probably enjoy the attentions of the bull queers...
 
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