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Want to squabble some more about who's the purest, most Libertarian on RKBA? There's plenty of mouth foaming gun hating zealots out there compared to whom our own sides votes, compromises and changes of policy are NOTHING!

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New York Times

September 21, 2007
Editorial

Oh, That Past
One of the divertissements and disillusions of the primary season is watching the presidential contenders double back in denial of their own local political roots as they play to the biases of their parties’ national nominating base. A prime example occurs today when Rudolph Giuliani, former mayor of New York — where the murder rate made him a chief advocate of banning assault weapons on the home front — seeks the blessing of the National Rifle Association.

As he approaches his speech in Washington before the N.R.A.’s lock-n-load zealots, the Giuliani campaign denies that its contender is trying to revise and amend his well-documented past as a fervid City Hall lobbyist for federal gun controls.

“What works in New York doesn’t necessarily work in Mississippi or Montana,” the Giuliani campaign now declares, presenting the candidate as a true adherent of states’ rights when it comes to the gun mayhem taking 30,000 American lives a year. (We’re sure he’d rather not remember that President Bill Clinton lauded him for helping pass the now-defunct national ban on assault weapons.)

Better not look for Mr. Giuliani, so sensitized to the red-state G.O.P. base, to repeat any of his past warnings that 60 percent of the crime-making guns in his city came from southern states brandishing porous gun controls. In a politically eerie coincidence, the multicity lawsuit previously led by then-Mayor Giuliani, accusing the gun industry of liability for the runaway gun culture, is being argued this week in federal court.

The Giuliani campaign is silent on whether he still supports his angry complaint as mayor that the gun industry “profits from the suffering of innocent people.”

No surprise, perhaps. But if he truly wants to keep America safe — like he once promised to keep New York safe — Mr. Giuliani should take this day’s occasion to tell the N.R.A. the truth about the gun carnage in America and why gun control is the only way to stop it.
 

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I think the NRA would endorse Bill Richardson before that pandering ex-mayor.

The NYT, as always, isn't fit to line a bird cage with.

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Guiliani certainly claimed, repeatedly, while he was mayor of New York that gun laws needed to be tightened everywhere. And that NYCs were the proper model for the whole nation. He has, however changed his tune. Whether he can be believed or not is another matter. I find myself, at best, suspicious of his current claims of belief that the IInd protects individual rights, that each state ought to set its own standards and all that.
 

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Why sure, he's changed his tune. He's a vote grubbing liar. Period.
 

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Who among us will take anything any politician says implicitly, on faith alone?

But who, among us would believe that Hillary Clinton would respect our rights more than Rudi Giuliani?

Have a nice day, and don't forget to take your Prozac.
 

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Oh, IF (and it is still over a year before the election) the parties are the Hilarcow and Giuliani, I expect I'll hold my nose and vote for Rudy G - and then HOPE AND PRAY that he'll act in accordance with his campaign claims (but won't expect it). Still - of the two, I expect Rudy G would be less dangerous to our liberties. I hope.
 

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"What works in New York doesn't necessarily work in Mississippi or Montana"
However if he got the white house , in short order he would be applying the same rules as New Yawk.
 

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I think the NRA would endorse Bill Richardson before that pandering ex-mayor.

SlimTim



Tim, are you referring to the same NRA whose president was chummily escorting gun-grabber MITT ROMNEY around at SHOT '07? :eek:



Oh, IF (and it is still over a year before the election) the parties are the Hilarcow and Giuliani, I expect I'll hold my nose and vote for Rudy G - and then HOPE AND PRAY that he'll act in accordance with his campaign claims (but won't expect it). Still - of the two, I expect Rudy G would be less dangerous to our liberties. I hope.
Any gun owner who could vote for Benito Giuliani under any circumstance must have an itch in his back only twelve inches of New York City steel can cure.

"President Rudy Giuliani" scares me far more than "President Hillary Clinton" does. If next year's election comes down to Hillary vs. Il Duce, HILLARY is the "lesser of two evils." That's right. I said it.

Six years of Bush have already shown us the lack of resistance, reluctance to stand for principles, the outright laziness and incuriousity, and in some cases I could mention, the outright zombification, that rank-and-file Stepford Republicans will demonstrate when somebody with an 'R' after his name sits in the White House. With no meaningful resistance from his own party, and with the help of a compliant -nay, adoring- Fox News Channel, a Giuliani administration would be left free to pursue a Hillary-style fascist/socialist agenda, but without much of the Republican resistance she would face, simply because, "Well would you rather it be HILLARY who was screwing us right now?"

But it doesn't really matter if Republican Battered Wives are dumb enough to fall for the lithper's "But baby, I've CHANGED!" act, since Julie-Annie is going to get stomped by the Lizard Queen should he win the nomination.


Still, part of me is actually hoping that the thrice-divorced, adulterous, gun-hating, pro-abortion, illegal immigrant-loving Benito Giluliani is the Republican nominee. This would probably be the last straw, the final insult, the "moment of clarity" for a lot of gun owners and other REAL conservatives in the GOP; so they defect to the Constitution Party, which nominates Ron Paul, the only principled, pro-gun, anti-big-government, pro-free-market and anti-abortion candidate in the race. Hillary wins the White House, but a major realignment occurs, with the Republican Party either purging the neocons or going the way of the Whig Party it superceded.
 
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