[DK PHILLIPS]

As for taking firearms..more being bought in a life time since Clinton climate change concerning guns..
now the older collectors have all they want, ammo too.
and the newer arrivals to ownership that were anti guns..
both growths in these groups well armed On both sides..
brings on the psychological impact to there families home protection plans...including a firearm.
ive been watching!
one group not going to give them up..Unless all does

 

[creeks]

Well....I don't believe that is correct.A quick search of you tube shows plenty of shooting still going on in Britain these days.

Their handguns are banned. All semi-auto firearms are banned. All air guns are banned except spring loaded BB guns and even those are under attack. Only thing they have left at this point is some highly regulated bolt guns. Doesn't sound like to much shooting going on.

 

[creeks]

Caledonian is not disliked, he's a member here and you can discuss issues with him without constantly berating him personally. His "pathetic flatulence" comment was not directed at you Pinkie so tone it down. Just discuss, not insult.

Your sugar coating here. Caledonian is far from an innocent poster on these boards. One only has to review his many posts on multiple GB threads.

 

[staffy]

Back to the NRA - a couple of nights ago saw a programme on the evolution of the organisation, from being focused on safety training and shooting generally, to a robust 2nd Rights agenda under La Pierre.
That he was/is not a firearms owner and his rise to the 'top' was outlined. It brought us up to date on the NY case and appeared to me to be fairly impartial. Will be interesting to see how matters pan out.
A disinterested (not uninterested) observer.

 

[North Bender]

Your sugar coating here. Caledonian is far from an innocent poster on these boards. One only has to review his many posts on multiple GB threads.

Which I have. Don’t like him? There’s the ignore clause.

Everybody here gets to express an opinion without receiving insulting replies. Period.

 

[Oldstuffer]

I assume the NRA's current money woes are the result of income slowing when the political climate is pro-gun? With Trump in office no one is worried about losing the second amendment so they don't join or donate as much. Haven't checked any statistics though. Regardless, I expect someone is going to tell the judge that you don't shut down a multi-million member organization for the malfeasance of a few.

The "current money woes" are from large donors, for the last year and a half, deliberately witholding donations, in an effort to force the NRA to get rid of Wayne and to Clean Up It's House.

The only leverage any of the members or donors have, is witholding donations. The Executive Board is Wayne's Friends & Supporters, very likely also grifting the NRA.

 

[creeks]

Which I have. Don’t like him? There’s the ignore clause.

Everybody here gets to express an opinion without receiving insulting replies. Period.

Correct everyone should be able to express their opinion with out insults. However, when "opinions" presented by this individual degrade things that millions of Americans hold near and dear then those are not "opinions" they are insults as well.

 

[caerlonie]

Their handguns are banned. All semi-auto firearms are banned. All air guns are banned except spring loaded BB guns and even those are under attack. Only thing they have left at this point is some highly regulated bolt guns. Doesn't sound like to much shooting going on.

The thing about the UK is that anything not specifically prohibited,is still legal and available to shooters there.There is an awful lot more available there than bolt action rifles.Long barrelled revolvers and pistols that fit their regulations are allowed,just as one example.Suggest you do some research to get a better idea of the true facts.

 

[DK PHILLIPS]

Question sir..I heard that people are forced to vote in Australia or fined?
is that the truth? Respectfully asking.<>< dan

 

[staffy]

Yes voting is compulsory for citizens and permanent residents over 18 years of age in State and Federal elections , either in person or by post, but there are exemptions in special cases. Generally there is little appetite to fine and a fine can be excused if there is a 'valid and sufficient reason'. If caught out it costs Aus$20.00.
The system is for preferential voting where one can vote on a Party ticket, above the line, or list your preference of candidates individually. This can give rise to the Donkey vote where candidates who have drawn the top spots in the ballot for the first and low numbers on the ticket are favoured.
However, it's a secret ballot and it is not obligatory to mark the voting slip nor can it be an offence to place any form of remark on them (who knows who marked the voting paper), which in either case the vote is deemed an informal vote and discarded.
It is a bit of a convoluted method but it is supposed to deliver a more accurate representation of the feeling of the electorate than first past the post. It also offers an opportunity for Independents to beat the Party machines.

 

[creeks]

The thing about the UK is that anything not specifically prohibited,is still legal and available to shooters there.There is an awful lot more available there than bolt action rifles.Long barrelled revolvers and pistols that fit their regulations are allowed,just as one example.Suggest you do some research to get a better idea of the true facts.

How can you make such a statement when in Britain common handguns .38spl, 9mm,45acp etc. are outlawed, all semi-auto firearms above .22LR are outlawed, shotguns held to a couple of rounds, even air guns are outlawed. As you may recall the British government had a mandatory confiscation of all common handguns and common semi-auto rifles above .22LR caliber (including many .22LR handguns). Britain has some of the most draconian gun laws in Europe and what guns are left to hapless gun owners in that country are little. Please post links to prove what I have stated is false.

 

[hannibalbarca]

Yes voting is compulsory for citizens and permanent residents over 18 years of age in State and Federal elections , either in person or by post, but there are exemptions in special cases. Generally there is little appetite to fine and a fine can be excused if there is a 'valid and sufficient reason'. If caught out it costs Aus$20.00.
The system is for preferential voting where one can vote on a Party ticket, above the line, or list your preference of candidates individually. This can give rise to the Donkey vote where candidates who have drawn the top spots in the ballot for the first and low numbers on the ticket are favoured.
However, it's a secret ballot and it is not obligatory to mark the voting slip nor can it be an offence to place any form of remark on them (who knows who marked the voting paper), which in either case the vote is deemed an informal vote and discarded.
It is a bit of a convoluted method but it is supposed to deliver a more accurate representation of the feeling of the electorate than first past the post. It also offers an opportunity for Independents to beat the Party machines.

I wonder if Australia is like the US. If a candidate changed his or her name to "None of the Above" I bet he or she would win by a landslide.

 

[chester]

Yes voting is compulsory for citizens and permanent residents over 18 years of age in State and Federal elections , either in person or by post, but there are exemptions in special cases. Generally there is little appetite to fine and a fine can be excused if there is a 'valid and sufficient reason'. If caught out it costs Aus$20.00.
The system is for preferential voting where one can vote on a Party ticket, above the line, or list your preference of candidates individually. This can give rise to the Donkey vote where candidates who have drawn the top spots in the ballot for the first and low numbers on the ticket are favoured.
However, it's a secret ballot and it is not obligatory to mark the voting slip nor can it be an offence to place any form of remark on them (who knows who marked the voting paper), which in either case the vote is deemed an informal vote and discarded.
It is a bit of a convoluted method but it is supposed to deliver a more accurate representation of the feeling of the electorate than first past the post. It also offers an opportunity for Independents to beat the Party machines.

Local Council voting is also compulsory here. I was one of the many that refused to vote in the last Local election because of the virus and escaped the fine.

 

[staffy]

#92 - hannibalbarca, you are on to something there. I think in the UK there is/was a Monster Raving Looney Party, but then they're slightly eccentric.:thumbsup:

 

[john.k]

There are a great number of organizations with cashflow ,tax and charity status that have been hijacked by smart lawyers and become personal piggy banks for the top guys ,who stack boards with cronies .....and always have an undated,signed letter of resignation from a prospective board member............in fact ,no different from a great many corporations ,run for the benefit of those at the top.

 

[cpw]

There are a great number of organizations with cashflow ,tax and charity status that have been hijacked by smart lawyers and become personal piggy banks for the top guys ,who stack boards with cronies .....and always have an undated,signed letter of resignation from a prospective board member............in fact ,no different from a great many corporations ,run for the benefit of those at the top.

Also applies to a goodly number of non-profits.

 

[caerlonie]

How can you make such a statement when in Britain common handguns .38spl, 9mm,45acp etc. are outlawed, all semi-auto firearms above .22LR are outlawed, shotguns held to a couple of rounds, even air guns are outlawed. As you may recall the British government had a mandatory confiscation of all common handguns and common semi-auto rifles above .22LR caliber (including many .22LR handguns). Britain has some of the most draconian gun laws in Europe and what guns are left to hapless gun owners in that country are little. Please post links to prove what I have stated is false.

There are dozens of similar clips on You tube,showing UK shooters shooting pistols such as this....but according to you they don't exist.....https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct...=98SbbQtBGi0&usg=AOvVaw1xrB9lIZC-60zgnyUHni_5

 

[TheAntiqueKid]

Facts are facts - many of us have woken up to the fact that the current NRA leadership in 2020 and the past couple of years (LaPierre specifically) are treating the organization like their own purse, and they are no longer the "best" Second Amendment protection organization out there.

Anyone donating money to defend the 2a should start with the Second Amendment Foundation - they are the ones on the front lines, fighting to defend our second amendment in court.
https://www.saf.org/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Amendment_Foundation
They are a true no-compromise group. They have been extraordinarily effective :

Successful court actions have been brought in the U.S. Supreme Court, most notably in D.C. v. Heller and McDonald v. Chicago. The Foundation has as many as two dozens active court cases at any one time. Successful cases have been brought against the carry ban in Illinois (Moore v. Madigan), emergency powers acts (Bateman v. Purdue), self-defense outside of the home (Ezell v. Chicago) [...] Please see current and past litigation listings. The Foundation has been active in Second Amendment litigation for almost 40 years. It was involved in many cases—from overturning the San Francisco handgun ban to blocking a ban on the sale of handguns in New Haven, CT. The Foundation also has sponsored challenges to unfair concealed carry license practices in several states, including Ohio’s prohibition on concealed carry.

Anyone with an interest in firearms should know how important DC v Heller and McDonald v Chicago were:
Heller decision in 2008: the Supreme Court of the United States held that the Second Amendment to the United States Constitution protects an individual's right to possess a firearm for private use
McDonald decision: The right to keep and bear arms for self defense in one's home is protected under the Second Amendment, in every state

They have a track record of success all within the past 20 years, and have done much for the 2a.

Gun Owners of America (GOA) is good too - they directly lobby congress to defend the second amendment, and help get pro-2a candidates elected.

 

[pinkie]

There are dozens of similar clips on You tube,showing UK shooters shooting pistols such as this....but according to you they don't exist.....https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct...=98SbbQtBGi0&usg=AOvVaw1xrB9lIZC-60zgnyUHni_5

What is that gun ?? is it a .22 or 9mm ? Where did they get that pendulous barrel ?? Is that what your "Pistol" has to look like ??

 

[davidsog]

What is that gun ?? is it a .22 or 9mm ? Where did they get that pendulous barrel ?? Is that what your "Pistol" has to look like ??

It is like pistol with training wheels.