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Nitwits + Glock 18 = ouch
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I don't think so. He is able to open and close the hand quite easily. There also isn't much blood coming out of the wound.
It actually looks no worse than one of those wounds that comes from the slide taking some meat out of the webbing behind the index finger.
Could be wrong, just doesn't look as bad as you think it is.
It actually looks no worse than one of those wounds that comes from the slide taking some meat out of the webbing behind the index finger.
Could be wrong, just doesn't look as bad as you think it is.
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Don't think it's had time to really bleed yet and I'd bet a superficial wound would create more superficial bleeding as opposed to that gunshot hole. A 9mm skipping across your hand might make a more elongated skidding wound. That looked like a hole. In any event, the moral to the story is don't give Glock 18s to people to shoot who are unfamiliar with FA and Glock 18s.
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I think Hmabone is right. If you stop and try and see the wound, it looks like MEAT, not any gushing. I have seen that kind of wound when you send a bullet through your hand, and yes, you can still open and close you hand, you just won't have any strength.
A surface woulnd, though, bleeds like a blown pressure hose. You see that a lot when you have people with meaty hands shooting old 1911s or HiPowers of PPKs pistols. Hammer bite, or in the case of the PPKS, the slide slicing the guys hand lke two razor blades.
Always funny how the serious wound doesn't always bleed a lot, yet the severe one will hardly trickle.
That link also has some other interesting links on misadventures of all kinds.
A surface woulnd, though, bleeds like a blown pressure hose. You see that a lot when you have people with meaty hands shooting old 1911s or HiPowers of PPKs pistols. Hammer bite, or in the case of the PPKS, the slide slicing the guys hand lke two razor blades.
Always funny how the serious wound doesn't always bleed a lot, yet the severe one will hardly trickle.
That link also has some other interesting links on misadventures of all kinds.
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Yep. It started bleeding a bit after and really hurting bad, like unbearable get me some meds quick bad after 30 minutes when the shock wore off. Had he skipped a bullet across his skin, tearing down through the vascular top layers it would have immediately started bleeding alot.
How can this be?
On another thread, GhostCat said that a fully auto firearm is perfectly safe if an adult is standing nearby.
I'd be all about seeing someone grabbing a fully auto weapon out of control from the side or behind.
I'm starting to think the only thing more dangerous than drinking and shooting is a videocam and shooting.
On another thread, GhostCat said that a fully auto firearm is perfectly safe if an adult is standing nearby.
I'd be all about seeing someone grabbing a fully auto weapon out of control from the side or behind.
I'm starting to think the only thing more dangerous than drinking and shooting is a videocam and shooting.
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Even when I let adults shoot my MPs I'm very careful to be sure they understand how it operates and that an open bolt weapon is inherently dangerous. We may load about five rounds in the mag first so they understand, and understand if a sear failure occurs, what do do. Even then, unless it is someone familiar with my gear, I'm right behind them, and I mean like almost riding on their back. That's for an adult with firearms handling experience and a large, low cyclic rate, MP40.
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I can tell you from personal experience that if you get shot through the hand or finger at close range you will have bleeding and pain (after the initial shock wears off) worse than you would believe. Your hand isn't much good for opening or closing or anything else either. I still have problems with strength and mobility in that hand well over 30 years later.
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It looks like the G18 had a foregrip on the rail, and it came off during the burst. The guys forehand went forward in front of the pistol which went backward. If I'm right I'm fairly impressed he maintained the control that he did.
The wound looks like a through and through to me. I wonder how long it took before the pain actually hit him...
The wound looks like a through and through to me. I wonder how long it took before the pain actually hit him...
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I would in no way imply that it does not happen like it disd to you. I have just seen enough things where people do nasty things to their appendages. I even near had thumb torn off my hand, and my thumbnail cut and pushing INTO my thinb where the meat pushing around the nail made my thimb look like a piece of popcorn.
Most cases, it really depends n where you 'place' the bullet. Saw a .22 through the hand that did not bleed much, and after the 'victim/idiot' medicated himself with alcohol, he was fiddling with a black powder rifle, and put a hole through the top of his friends' van.
I just noted how wounds can be funny things. I saw a quick blip of the tip of a finger on a grinder that sprayed like an arterial hit. I had a large hole put in my leg, and I had blood drop out like ketchup, then stop bleeding. It was a good hole, and I kept poking my finger in it till the EMT made me stop. I was just startled that such a big hole in my leg did not bleed more.
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Looks like just that. You can see the foregrip laying on the grounds as he walks away. Looks like the bullet went straight through his hand.
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Know of a case where a guy shot himself through the hand with a 45. Very nasty (contact wound), don't know what the final outcome was, but there was an expectation of considerable loss of function in thee hand if they managed to save it. Lad was Medevaced from Long Binh to Japan and then the States.
Conclusion (I was the IO) was "I think it was an intentionally self-inflicted wound, but the evidence is insufficient to sustain that according to the JAGs, so - it was an accident. Finding "LINE OF DUTY - YES". Might have had a different result, or not, if I'd been able to interview the guy, but by the time I was appointed, he was gone, and he wasn't saying anything that anybody heard but stuff like "Oh sh*t, i shot myself, it hurts. Get a medic" etc.. I verily believe it did hurt, a lot. There were certainly signs of a fair amount of blood on the small arms shop floor despite the area having been mopped up.
After i became a JAG, I applied what we were learning about Line of Duty determinations to the incident and concluded that the JAG I consulted at Support Command gave me good advice. i also didn't change my opinion about just how accidental it wasn't. I think it was an intentional self-inflicted wound, and I also suspect the guy regretted doing it. Getting out of Vietnam early would be good, but a three month drop wouldn't be worth that, not in my opinion.
Conclusion (I was the IO) was "I think it was an intentionally self-inflicted wound, but the evidence is insufficient to sustain that according to the JAGs, so - it was an accident. Finding "LINE OF DUTY - YES". Might have had a different result, or not, if I'd been able to interview the guy, but by the time I was appointed, he was gone, and he wasn't saying anything that anybody heard but stuff like "Oh sh*t, i shot myself, it hurts. Get a medic" etc.. I verily believe it did hurt, a lot. There were certainly signs of a fair amount of blood on the small arms shop floor despite the area having been mopped up.
After i became a JAG, I applied what we were learning about Line of Duty determinations to the incident and concluded that the JAG I consulted at Support Command gave me good advice. i also didn't change my opinion about just how accidental it wasn't. I think it was an intentional self-inflicted wound, and I also suspect the guy regretted doing it. Getting out of Vietnam early would be good, but a three month drop wouldn't be worth that, not in my opinion.
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