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My latest bayonet is this German 84/98 made by Gottlieb Hammesfahr and dated for 1917.
It has a few questions to answer so I'm hoping the Forum members can help please!
When it arrived it was lightly coated in some sort of lacquer most of which I removed with my finger nails...some still remains!
Its obviously been refurbished at some stage after WW1?..by the Germans or another country?? (not sure of the grips are original or the grip screws,last image shows this blade on the bottom and a Reichswehr modified on top...similar grips screws but different sizes)
The blueing has me foxed...its similar to the British 1907 bayonet blueing....pommel,cross guard and 20mm up the ricasso...I thought Reichswehr "modified" bayonets were blued all over....the press stud is not slotted,the flash guard looks original.
 

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I would look under grips as the countersunk were already removed, the finish is typical for english countries refurbishment is possible it was used somewhere in similar country? is the flashguard protruding from bottom? similar bayonets could be used even in Weimar or in WW2 but this bayonet has no typical configuration for weimar era rework. Any old proofs visible on pommel, crossguard or ball finial? More detailed photos could help.
Andy....I'll post some more images tomorrow!...its too dark now for photographs...
 

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Post WWII rework..I think you guys are looking at the wrong place on the time line continuum. Update your Flux Capacitor.
milprileb….d'you think a country would rework a bayonet made in 1917 after WW2....when there must have been loads of half decent "newer" ones on the market?.
..I'm wondering if any other forum members have seen this method of refurbishing/ blueing (pommel,cross guard and 20 mm up the riccaso)
 

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LOL ...I'm laughing cause your question is so "Civilian" and typical of collectors who think military are
looking at dates, proof marks and all manner of trivia . Yes tons of stuff left over from WWII and in a refurbishment program, it was 98 Mauser bayonets into the bin for rebuild and out of bin to re issue. Parts is Parts to the military. Serviceable gear is re issued with no regard to date of mfg. A bayonet could have been in many countries service, rebuilt more than once and end up like the one under discussion. Its a 98 Mauser bayonet...used well into the 80's by other nations.

My guess is that bayonet re built by Yugo or Czech and never got re stamped with any of their markings which is not unusual. Countries re cycle stuff to re use, just be aware of that.
LOL......I'm laughing at your mis-use of the word "cause" when you really meant to use the abbreviation "COS" which is itself an abbreviation the word BECAUSE,maybe a good English dictionary is in order.
 

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LOL ...I'm laughing cause your question is so "Civilian" and typical of collectors who think military are
looking at dates, proof marks and all manner of trivia . Yes tons of stuff left over from WWII and in a refurbishment program, it was 98 Mauser bayonets into the bin for rebuild and out of bin to re issue. Parts is Parts to the military. Serviceable gear is re issued with no regard to date of mfg. A bayonet could have been in many countries service, rebuilt more than once and end up like the one under discussion. Its a 98 Mauser bayonet...used well into the 80's by other nations.

My guess is that bayonet re built by Yugo or Czech and never got re stamped with any of their markings which is not unusual. Countries re cycle stuff to re use, just be aware of that.
LOL......I'm laughing at your mis-use of the word "cause" when you really meant to use the abbreviation "COS" which is itself an abbreviation the word BECAUSE,maybe a good English dictionary is in order.
Andy....I'll post some more images tomorrow!...its too dark now for photographs...
I would look under grips as the countersunk were already removed, the finish is typical for english countries refurbishment is possible it was used somewhere in similar country? is the flashguard protruding from bottom? similar bayonets could be used even in Weimar or in WW2 but this bayonet has no typical configuration for weimar era rework. Any old proofs visible on pommel, crossguard or ball finial? More detailed photos could help.
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I would look under grips as the countersunk were already removed, the finish is typical for english countries refurbishment is possible it was used somewhere in similar country? is the flashguard protruding from bottom? similar bayonets could be used even in Weimar or in WW2 but this bayonet has no typical configuration for weimar era rework. Any old proofs visible on pommel, crossguard or ball finial? More detailed photos could help.
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I've taken these images to show the top and bottom for the flash guard,the scabbard has a mark on the finial (not sure if I've shown it the right way up!)...the scabbard throat looks original as does the throat screw..not an aluminium rivet on the side of the scabbard o some refurbishment.I'm loathe to remove the grips in case I mash up the scews!
 

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A big THANK YOU to everyone for their contributions and insights on this particular bayonet.
I have difficulty in understanding why a WW1 1917 dated German bayonet might have possibly been refurbished for use after 1945,(It wasn't refurbished for laughs or someone's private project)..It was refurbished for continuing military use by a country using, I imagine a bolt action Mauser rifle that this bayonet would attach to,and the fact that the style of blueing and the pattern of blueing resembles British (and Commonwealth) blades is a real poser.What would be interesting is if another similar model and age of this bayonet turned up with similar blueing
 

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A big THANK YOU to everyone for their contributions and insights on this particular bayonet.
I have difficulty in understanding why a WW1 1917 dated German bayonet might have possibly been refurbished for use after 1945,(It wasn't refurbished for laughs or someone's private project)..It was refurbished for continuing military use by a country using, I imagine a bolt action Mauser rifle that this bayonet would attach to,and the fact that the style of blueing and the pattern of blueing resembles British (and Commonwealth) blades is a real poser.What would be interesting is if another similar model and age of this bayonet turned up with similar blueing
 
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