[Capt.Canuck]

I picked this one up yesterday and thought some of you might be interested.

This is my first Mosin Nagant. Reading through a couple of books I have on hand, I believe this is a pretty standard Finnish M1927.

*Experts, by all means, fill in any blanks or correct any inaccuracies.

Some of the major differences of the M1927 vs. earlier models are the much more robust and reinforced nose cap, the addition of the front sight protector, and an improved rear sight. The sling attachments on this particular rifle are uncommon, as most M1927s (but not all) had swivel attachments.

Some other information about this rifle:

The [SA] is a Suomen Ameija (Finnish Army) property mark

The \T/ indicates the rifle was made at Tikkakoski Oy factory in Sakara, and is a pre-1936 mark

D on the receiver indicates that the rifle was reworked to fire the Finnish D166 cartridge

F on the receiver (edit as per post below) The other marking that was used on the barrel was the capitol letter "F" which identified the chamber measurements of the "F" designated cartridge. This cartridge used a shallower neck incline as found on early Finnish 7.62x53R ammunition. The final marking of "D" is as outlined above. The final letter code of "D" indicated an alteration of the chamber diameter and shape to accept the Finnish D-166 cartridge that differed very slightly from the "F" chamber. So in review the barrel markings of "A", "F" and "D" were marked on the barrel of the m/27 just above the date and between the serial number to indicate the barrels chamber characteristic and what type of ammunition was capable of being fired through the weapon.

x(L)x on the stock indicates a Finnish made stock

A few questions:

There is a 5 on the stock, but I'm not sure what that represents.

There are also quite a few markings on the underside of the bolt - can anyone shed any light on those?

Finally, what is the meaning of KL528 on the base of the magazine?

 

[Richard in NY*]

Congrats! Excellent start of a Mosin collection and excellent photos! :thumbsup:

 

[aussie98]

the numbers on the floorplate are from that parts previous life on another rifle,great pics !!

 

[Capt.Canuck]

the numbers on the floorplate are from that parts previous life on another rifle,great pics !!

I thought that might be the case, but what confused me is that the actual serial is 5 digits with no letter prefix, whereas the floorplate consists of 2 letter and 3 numbers?

 

[BB91]

Congrats! Excellent start of a Mosin collection and excellent photos! :thumbsup:

+1 excellent photography . I could use some lessons!

Although I'm not an expert, this part needs a little fixing:

*Experts, by all means, fill in any blanks or correct any inaccuracies.

F on the receiver indicates that the barrel was made of Swedish steel, from the firm Fagersta (which happens to still be in business http://www.fagersta-stainless.se/)

Here is an excerpt from the home pages.

The other marking that was used on the barrel was the capitol letter "F" which identified the chamber measurements of the "F" designated cartridge. This cartridge used a shallower neck incline as found on early Finnish 7.62x53R ammunition. The final marking of "D" is as outlined above. The final letter code of "D" indicated an alteration of the chamber diameter and shape to accept the Finnish D-166 cartridge that differed very slightly from the "F" chamber. So in review the barrel markings of "A", "F" and "D" were marked on the barrel of the m/27 just above the date and between the serial number to indicate the barrels chamber characteristic and what type of ammunition was capable of being fired through the weapon.

The rest can be found here: http://mosinnagant.net/finland/The-Finnish-M27.asp

Congrats on your first Finnish Mosin.

 

[martin08]

1935. Not a large production year. Good show!

 

[Capt.Canuck]

That's great information, thank you. I modified the original post above accordingly.

Re. chamber size and the D-166, am I safe to fire standard 7.62x54r surplus in this rifle?


Thanks for the compliments re the photos. Very simple, I just used an inexpensive point and shoot camera in front of a bay window this afternoon when it was bright but overcast.

That's pretty much the best photographic light you can get (and direct flash and direct sunlight is the worst).

A macro setting on your camera is handy feature too.

That's really all there is to it.

+1 excellent photography . I could use some lessons!

Although I'm not an expert, this part needs a little fixing:



Here is an excerpt from the home pages.

The other marking that was used on the barrel was the capitol letter "F" which identified the chamber measurements of the "F" designated cartridge. This cartridge used a shallower neck incline as found on early Finnish 7.62x53R ammunition. The final marking of "D" is as outlined above. The final letter code of "D" indicated an alteration of the chamber diameter and shape to accept the Finnish D-166 cartridge that differed very slightly from the "F" chamber. So in review the barrel markings of "A", "F" and "D" were marked on the barrel of the m/27 just above the date and between the serial number to indicate the barrels chamber characteristic and what type of ammunition was capable of being fired through the weapon.

The rest can be found here: http://mosinnagant.net/finland/The-Finnish-M27.asp

Congrats on your first Finnish Mosin.

 

[Mike O]

Martin beat me to it. 35 dated M27's are a bit of a tough find. Great rifle!

 

[Flyin Brian]

Nice one!

 

[Capt.Canuck]

While I'm at it, what do you guys make of this Finnish 91/30?

It's in really nice condition with a matching bolt and a great bore, available from the same seller (excuse the crappy iPhone photos).

 

[mto7464]

I have both too, 35 dated m27 and a tikka 91/30 with a stacked front sight. Need to look up the serial numbers.
Just did look them up 82304 on the m27 and 71063. Always looking for consec's.

 

[Capt.Canuck]

I have both too, 35 dated m27 and a tikka 91/30 with a stacked front sight. Need to look up the serial numbers.
Just did look them up 82304 on the m27 and 71063. Always looking for consec's.

That's cool, they're not far apart at all are they?

The 91/30 isn't mine (yet), but I'm contemplating purchasing it. What's a ballpark value in your opinion?

 

[Handsome Devil]

Very nice example, hard to improve on. Have a #82922 and #83358 both 1935's. Thanks for sharing. Cheers, John.

 

[Finn91/30]

Average price range for a nice Tikka 91/30 is 250-325.

 

[Capt.Canuck]

Average price range for a nice Tikka 91/30 is 250-325.

Great, thanks. I paid $275 for the M27 and he's asking $225 for the 91/30, so assuming it's still available I'm going to pick it up today as well.

 

[wrench]

Capt.Canuck, you are off to a great start!

 

[martin08]

Snatch up that Tikka 91/30, those are relatively low production as well. Not many are found these days for under $300. Nice stuff.

 

[Tapio]

Nice find. $275 is a pretty good price for a late date M27. You did well.

Vic Thomas wrote an excellent article on the M27 at this site.

http://www.mosinnagant.net/finland/The-Finnish-M27.asp

Now that you have one M27, you might think about a sequence. Your rifle is at the far end of the sequence. What makes this rifle interesting is that it is the first shorter barrel Mosin Finland produced. They increased the barrel diameter to gain accuracy. But that meant they had to rout out the Russian barrels which caused cracking problems with the fromt of the barrel where the bayonet was mounted. They also had slots milled in the receiver with ledges machined in the bolt to stabilize the bolt with the new trigger. Unfortunately, the slots got filled with mud in combat and the bolt wouldn't close. Not a good thing to have happen when someone was shooting at you.

Your rifle has a beefed up stock. The popsicle stocks going backward from the nosecap along with the fact it was a one piece nosecap solved the bayonet problem. The slots were eliminated about the time your M27 was produced. So as i say, you have the ultimate evolution. Here's a shot of my 1928 Finn M27. It has both the weaker barrel and the milled slots.

http://www.ironhorse129.com/Mosin/images/No10/FinnM-27-Left.jpg

One like mine would represent an increasing contrast to yours. My latest M27 is a 1934 which was arsenal upgraded to the new features. I'd love to have one that was built that way.

Tapio

 

[Capt.Canuck]

Great information, thanks guys.

I did pick up that Finn 91/30 this morning, and I'm really pleased with it. Aside from a few chips out of the stock the condition is wonderful.

Thread about new 91/30 is here: http://forums.gunboards.com/showthread.php?260102-another-new-addition-1944-Finnish-91-30-(pics-inside)&p=2080736#post2080736





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[cruddymutt]

Seems the Finns are coming out of the wood work. I just picked up a 1933 m27 in early config myself, complete with matching winged bolt connector. A nice contrast to my 1938 M27 in late config, just like Tapio suggested.