[TuscoTodd]

My local class III dealer has a couple rifles that a customer brought in to spin off - but neither of them knew what model / caliber they were. At any rate, the customer is looking to sell them and I wanted some opinions on what would be fair prices to offer for them and thought who better to ask than the Gunboards community!

From what I could gather over the phone here are the details:
Item #1 Carl Gustaf and (then some stuff he couldn't read) 1916 with a barrel length of a little less than 18" and an overall length of roughly 37 1/2". (I am guessing based on the lengths that this would be a M/94 - but haven't seen it yet). Bore is "good" shootable condition - overall condition he guessed at 50% with a little light surface rust on the barrel. Now the bad part and part of the reason I need some opinions - apparently the receiver and possibly the barrel(?!?) were drilled and tapped (no scope bases present though).

Item #2 Mauser Model Argentino 1891 Lowe Berlin with a barrel length of approx 24" and and overall of 43 1/2" (I am guessing that this one has been "sporterized" as I don't see where that matches a particular model?). Bore is dark - but rifling present - outer condition again somewhere around 50% Now the bad parts relating to this one. This rifle was also drilled and tapped, and the bolt has been modified to a bent bolt design where the handle appears to be brazed on and does not want to cycle properly.

On Item #2 I am thinking is going to be good for being used as a wall hanger only (unless there is a lot of value to the non-"improved" parts that would warrant parting it out) So - any insight you guys can offer would be appreciated as I am going to go look at these around 5 today.
Thanks!

 

[lcmunn]

Parts or a truck gun.

If the stock on the m94 carbine (if that is what it is?) is intact and has not been sanded or re-finished, then it would likely bring several hundred dollars at auction. But only if it was not sanded, oiled, checkered, shortened, drilled for sling swivels, carved with Grizzly Adams walking his bear, etc. The front band/bayonet mounting and handguard would also be of some value as parts for restoration. If the bolt was altered to clear a scope, then this is reduces it's parts' value. The Argentine is probably worth $50-75. to someone as a backup spare rifle. It is a sad fact that most of the sporterized milsurps from the 1950's and 1960's are worth only a fraction of what they would be worth if they had been left alone. If the Carl Gustaf is a sporterized and shortened rifle, then it is perhaps a $100-150 truck gun depending upon condition.

 

[Cincinnati Kid]

Todd, if the Swede is in fact a model 94 or 94/14 carbine, then the fact that it has been drilled for mounts is going to reduce the value a good bit. On the upside though, the screw holes can be filled with small screws such as the ones used on rifles drilled from the factory but not supplied with mounts. This would at least make the holes less noticeable. All of this depends on if it really is a carbine, and not a cut down infantry rifle. On the Argentine, I would look at it as a parts piece as far as value goes, but it may make a good trade piece, or a project for someone who is interested. If the Swede is a carbine and only drilled for mounts, and without being able to look at them myself, then I would think that I wouldn't offer more than $350 for both since the Argentine sounds like a train wreck.

 

[TuscoTodd]

Thank you for the insight guys. I don't have a M/94 (yet) - so I am definitely intrigued to see if that is actually what it is (or whether it is a shortened M/96 or M/38). I plan on snapping some pictures to share when I get back.
Thanks again for the comments!

 

[ij70]

M94 does not have bayonet lug on the nose piece.
M94/14 has bayonet lug on the nose piece.
This is have various details, very good source: http://dutchman.rebooty.com/

 

[TuscoTodd]

ij70 -
Thank you for the link! Is it safe to assume that the M/94-14 is worth less than a M/94? (I would guess if this is a M/94 - that it is a M/94-14 due to the 1916 date on the receiver?)
Appreciate the help!

 

[ij70]

ij70 -
Thank you for the link! Is it safe to assume that the M/94-14 is worth less than a M/94? (I would guess if this is a M/94 - that it is a M/94-14 due to the 1916 date on the receiver?)
Appreciate the help!

I have a couple of Swedes, but I am not an expert. I have not looked at the price comparison. I only looked for information to know exactly what I bought.

The 1916 is likely to be M94-14, however, I don't know how quickly Swedes changed over form 94 to 94-14, it might have taken a couple of years or something. If you go purely by numbers, 1916 should be M/94-14. Check that website for details.

My carbine is M/94 (made before 1914, has no bayonet lug on nose piece) so I spent a bit of time reading about M/94, but I have not paid any attention to M/94-14.

 

[TuscoTodd]

Well - got some pictures and Bubba definitely had his way with these two rifles. Here are some cell phone photos (not the best - but you'll get the idea) - no original sights on either - the D&T is non-factory - both stocks "modified"...

Here are the shots of the "possible" M/94. I'm not sure if there is any way to tell (the serial number range and barrel length seems to fit) conclusively - but the stock has been heavily sanded and modified (upper hand guard is missing), the original sights are gone - there receiver and barrel are drilled and tapped (why they drilled and tapped the barrel is beyond me!) The bore does appear to be serviceable - but not sure it is "safe" being drilled and tapped - have to check the depth of the holes if I become the owner.

Here are the shots of the 189. The stock has been shortened, heavily sanded (no hand guard present) the barrel has been shortened, the original sights are gone, the bore is dark - but rifling can be seen (may clean up?) the receiver has been drilled and tapped (one of the holes is off center line?) bolt has been bent and shows grind marks on the bend

I did give my dealer an offer on the two of them - will see if it is acceptable to the current owner... If it is - I may have some parts to offer up...

Thanks again for everyone's input on these rifles!

 

[Cincinnati Kid]

The barrel on the Swede was drilled for a ramp type rear sight which has been removed. The barrel length on m94 carbines was 17.7", and in order for them to be imported into the country a small extension was added to make it 18", what is the length of this barrel? The stock is definitely for a M94 carbine. The bolt has had a forged handle added to clear a scope. If the barrel is the correct length, you might be able to find a unaltered bolt, original sights, stock and hardware to put it back into it's original configuration, but it would never be a collector piece. The holes in the receiver and barrel could be filled with filler screws. The Argentine would probably be best considered a shooter/truck gun, as the bolt has been altered and the original rear sight base altered (the front sight is probably the original), the only parts someone might be able to use for a restoration would be the bolt internals, and the magazine and trigger guard parts.