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I am currently deployed to Iraq and we have a captured 12ga. semi-auto that I need help identifying. The only markings are the serial number and a stamp on the barrel. The barrel stamp reads:

Metson ITALY BERATTA Tipi
T.S. 870 CAL 12-76 Magnum

Yes, Beretta (if that's what it's supposed to be) is actually spelled wrong on the barrel. I also can't find ay record of Beretta making a model called the T.S. 870. I've also never heard of Metson or Tipi. It has a top-folding stock and a synthetic forend. The muzzle end of the barrel is also threaded. I was wondering if this was for some sort of external choke as I have never seen this done in this manner. Keep in mind that this is a captured weapon and is probably pieced together. I was also wondering if this is some sort of knockoff. It just doesn't seem right with the barrel stamp and all. I'm currently having trouble posting the pics that I have. If I can get it to work I'll post them later.
 

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Shotgun “Karatai TS 870” cal.12/76 manufactured in Turkey
if it looks something like this police version which is plainer than the hunting versions
http://www.turkishsellers.com/showimage.htm?http://www.turkishsellers.com/wimg/760/776138.jpg
http://www.turkishsellers.com/showimage.htm?http://www.turkishsellers.com/wimg/760/776132.jpg
the manufacturer is Akkar Silah Sanayi Ve Tic. Ltd
http://www.turkishsellers.com/showcompany.aspx?compid=760&type=comp
It is possible that the barrel is manufactured separately in Italy.
 

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Most likely still based on a Turkish manufactured sporting shotgun that has been modified. There have been quite a few and some have been through Italy. Fabarm SpA is an Italian arms co that imported Turkish shotguns then exported them to the USA for just one example, Benelli/Franchi/Stoeger is another italian company selling Turkish weaponry. You already have the best I can find on anything called a TS 870 magnum. It might be helpful if you could find any other marks anywhere on it.
 

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I've looked at all the Beretta autoloading shotguns imported into the USA and none of them have receivers that look quite like that.

It may be a Turkish shotgun, as IamElmerJFudd suggests, but with illegal Beretta markings. You'd have to tear it down some and look for proof marks and year manufactured code.

Italian proof marks: http://www.poliisi.fi/poliisi/home.nsf/ExternalFiles/italian_tarkastusleimat/$file/italian_tarkastusleimat.pdf

Year codes: http://www.shotgunworld.com/bbs/viewtopic.php?p=563847
 

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jjk308, we've taken it completely apart and, unfortunately, there's no other markings anywhere on the gun. The fact that Beretta is spelled "Beratta" on the barrel makes me think it's some sort of cheap knockoff. I'll check out those sites you reccomended though.
 

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Well, I was wrong. I found one more marking I hadn't noticed before. It's on the underside of the chamber end of the barrel. It's stamped with a small "21". I didn't notice it before because the bluing is all scratched up there.
 

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It actually looks a lot like a verona model 405 (these were made in turkey by a company called Sarsilmaz).They were also sold as a Harrington & Richardson Excel.That gun certainly originated in Turkey in any event.The muzzle end is threaded to accept external 'shot collars',these work like a choke tube except they are fitted to the outside of the muzzle instead.
 

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There you have it. An in field modification may have mated a TS 870 barrel to a Verona 405 receiver. The Turkish companies all seem to be working together anyway or may all be one big company with dozens of trade names, so I wouldn't doubt that there's a lot of parts interchangeability. Otherwise, Pakistani gunsmiths and certainly the Mujahideen have been known to skillfully adapt whatever parts they could get to make a working firearm.
 

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I figured it was probably pieced together. It has a rather crappy top folding stock that looks like it was specifically made for it but I've never seen a "tactical" shotgun with an "engraved" receiver. The latch that holds the shells in the magazine tube is messed up. It's pretty funny actually. When you chamber a round, it spits the rest of the shells out the bottom. The whole thing is one big piece of junk. I think it mostly comes from not being taken care of. Thanks for the help. One of my buddies and I were tasked by our platoon sergeant to find out what it was and to find out if it was operable. He wanted to take it out to the range with us next time and play around with it. That's now out of the question so we're probably just going to hang it back on the wall.
 

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That last photo has me thinking that you might have a variation of the Franchi LAW-12 which was available before 1994 with a top folding stock, had a muzzle device, and held, I believe, 6 or 9 2&3/4 inch shells only. If you're trying to load 3 inch shells in a shotgun that is only supposed to fire 2&3/4 inch shells it just might kick them all out of the magazine tube when you try to load it. Since Franchi is one of the Italian companies that sold guns manufactured by the Turks, You may have something the Turks put together to sell in places where Franchi didn't have a market, probably in violation of their manufacturing agreement with Franchi. Of course, "all is fair in love and war," and seemingly in Turkish business practices. Here is a photo archive to help you look up anything else you might find, but they only have a picture of the post 1994 fixed stock version of the LAW 12.
http://securityarms.com/firearm_archive.html
 

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The shells we tried were 2 3/4". I took a look at it and figured out what's wrong but don't have any parts to fix it. It's also not worth fixing. Oh well. I'll take a look at the Franchi LAW-12. The overall quality definately isn't on par with Franchi though. I'm thinking it probably is some Turkish copy.
 
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