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Navy, then and now....



Then - If you smoked, you had an ashtray on your desk.
Now - If you smoke, you get sent outside and treated like a leper.

Then - Mail took weeks to come to the ship.
Now - Every time you get near land, there's a mob topside to see if
their cell phone works.

Then - If you left the ship it was in Blues or Whites, even in home
port.
Now - The only time you wear Blues or Whites is for ceremonies.

Then - You wore bellbottoms everywhere on the ship.
Now - Bellbottoms are gone and 14 year-old girls wear them every where.

Then - You wore a dixie cup all day, with every uniform.
Now - It's not required and you have a choice in different hats.

Then - If you said "damn," people knew you were annoyed and avoided you.
Now - If you say "damn" you'd better be talking about a hydroelectric
plant.

Then -The Ships Office had a typewriter on his desk for doing daily
reports.
Now - Everyone has a computer with Internet access and they wonder why
no work is getting done.

Then - We painted pictures of pretty girls on airplanes to remind us of
home.
Now - We put the real thing in the cockpit.

Then - Your girlfriend was at home, praying you would return alive.
Now - She is on the same ship, praying your condom worked.

Then - If you got drunk off duty, your buddies would take you back to
the ship so you could sleep it off.
Now - If you get drunk off duty, they slap you in rehab and ruin your
career.

Then - Canteens were made out of steel and you could heat coffee or hot
chocolate in them.
Now - Canteens are made of plastic, you can't heat them because they'll
melt, and anything inside always tastes like plastic.

Then - Our top officers were professional sailors first. They commanded
respect.
Now - Our top officers are politicians first. They beg not to be given a
wedgie.

Then - They collected enemy intelligence and analyzed it.
Now - They collect our pee and analyze it.

Then - If you didn't act right, they'd put you on extra duty until you
straightened up.
Now - If you don't act right, they start a paper trail that follows you
forever.

Then - Medals were awarded to heroes who saved lives at the risk of
their own.
Now - Medals are awarded to people who show up for work most of the
time.

Then - You slept in a barracks, like a soldier.
Now - You sleep in a dormitory, like a college kid.

Then - You ate in a Mess Hall. It was free and you could have all the
food you wanted.
Now - You eat in a Dining Facility. Every slice of bread or pat of
butter costs, and you can only have one.

Then - If you wanted to relax, you went to the Rec Center, played pool,
smoked and drank beer.
Now -You go to the Community Center and can still play pool, maybe.

Then - If you wanted a quarter beer and conversation, you could go to
the NCO or Officers' Club.
Now - The beer will cost you two dollars and someone is watching to see
how much you drink.

Then - The Exchange had bargains for sailors who didn't make much money.
Now - You can get better merchandise cheaper at Wal-Mart.

Then - If an Admiral wanted to make a presentation, he scribbled down
some notes and a PN spent an hour preparing a bunch of charts.
Now - The Admiral has his entire staff spending days preparing a Power
Point presentation.

Then - We called the enemy things like "Commie Bastards" and "Reds"
because we didn't like them.
Now - We call the enemy things like "Opposing Forces" and "Aggressors"
so we won't offend them.

Then - We declared victory when the enemy was dead and all his things
were broken.
Now - We declare victory when the enemy says he is sorry and won't do it
again.

Then - A commander would put his butt on the line to protect his people.
Now - A commander will put his people on the line to protect his butt.
 

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There is an unfortunate amount of truth in that I fear. Similar points could be made about the Army.
 

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Ex Navy. Can I have an amen?
 

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Amen ......
 

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Then - Students in training who got poor grades were washed out and ended up in the bilges of the fleet.
Now - If an instructor dares give a student a poor grade, he is counseled on his poor instruction abilities, given extra duty, poor evals, and sent back to the bilges of the fleet while a better instructor spend many off-duty hours upgrading the eminently trainable youngster for his bright future.

No, I've never been an instructor. Seen too many friends that were hurt by those tours and too many students hit the fleet with the attitude we owed them the world.

I started in the canoe club in 1981 and am still trying to figure out when we gave the inmates the keys. Oh well, we used to say a bi___ing sailor was a happy sailor.
 

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Then - Students in training who got poor grades were washed out and ended up in the bilges of the fleet.
Now - If an instructor dares give a student a poor grade, he is counseled on his poor instruction abilities, given extra duty, poor evals, and sent back to the bilges of the fleet while a better instructor spend many off-duty hours upgrading the eminently trainable youngster for his bright future.
Generally speaking, the procedure is followed in other areas. In college, the students rate/score the instructor. Continued employment, raises, etc depend on how well the students like you.
 

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I remember the lean when we could only operate the vehicles a certain number of hours a month and I would buy office supplies for my company at Office Depot. Nobody griping about operating hours now.
 

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Shortly after Reagan left office. I fear we shall never recover from the klinton/bush years.
I think that was shortly after Reagan was elected to his first term (1980 election, served 1981-1989; Bush I 1988 election, served 1988-1093; Klinton 1992 election, served 1993-2001).
 

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Nixon-Ford years those were. And with a Demonrat-controlled Congress. Part of them ('74-77) I was back in a green suit, in the First Cav JAG shop. I will refrain from comment about what '77 was like, under Jimmy Cartuh...
 

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Damn, I can related to that as well. USS Midway and NAS Corpus Christi 1982-1989.

They started putting females on combat ships right after I got out. Call me a sexist pig, but even now I do not for the life of me see how the Navy would have survived that.

Just do not see how it was possible given how things were on non-com ships that I heard about. Every time one pulled into port they would lose about 5-10 females to pregnancey etc.

Im glad to be a civilian. I am sadened at how politically correct the armed forces are now. I would not last one day in today's Navy LOL.
 

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It was in principle. It was good to see them do the same work for the same paycheck. This was very unballanced before they were allowed on combat ships.

There was also always a lot of resentment because females took up all the good shore duty slots and many of them were single unwed mothers. This had a negative effect on the assigned sea/shore rotations in their favor but not ours.

On the lighter side, they didn't call non-com ships with females onboard "love-boats" for nothing LOL.
 

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I don't see the purpose in putting women on warships,planes etc.It can only be negative when the chips are down and men have to rely on each other the way they have to in wartime,there is just no need for it.
 

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I don't see the purpose in putting women on warships,planes etc.It can only be negative when the chips are down and men have to rely on each other the way they have to in wartime,there is just no need for it.
I can't speak for the Rust Pickers, and I've had the misfortune of eyeballing more than a few of their female sailors (TALK ABOUT WHISKEY LIMA!!!:eek::D) on many vacations to the Sand Box. Any way, most female troops in the Chair Forces' aircraft maintenance career fields were liabilities at the very least IMHO...even the slacker, Pointee-Headed Box Swappers (Avionics Techs);):D
 

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In what manner were they liabilities ??
 
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