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I picked up this rifle off Gunbroker and should have it within the next week or so. The seller's description of it was this:

German K98 Serial Number 9456. With a "P" under the serial number on the Receiver, bolt and barrel. Code S/147 on the Receiver. I see matching numbers all over this rifle. Bolt, Receiver, Barrel Extractor, magazine follower, barrel band, Magazine cap and screw, rear site, both top and bottom, safety, bolt release, and front strap. Also there are "eagles" found on the receiver and barrel, and bolt. The metal parts have been lightly buffed, and nicely refinished. The stock is also a replacement. A very nice one at that.Cleaning rod shows a 28, not sure if that was suppose to have a matching number or not Bore is 8mm, and excellent.
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Not sure what you want to know.
Of course it has collector value, the question is how much?
Is it worth $1000? No it is not.
Is it worth $300? Yes and probably more.
Is it better that than an R/C rifle? Some would say yes, some no.
If you remove the glossy stuff that's on the stock, it would look a lot more "real".
 

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Thanks. I guess what I mean is that, in it having all-matching parts apart from the stock, is it worth what I paid for it? (~$700). It's a step up (in my eyes) from my RC Mausers in my quest for an all-matching piece, and I was wondering what other people thought of it.
 

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ummmmmm. thats more a bolt mismatch price. ok not great. rifle looks great. as to collector?
the redo on the metal and wood? just hits man. little early for a sauer lamante? not sure.
it is pretty. im also sliding more toward the lower range mentioned by the other member, say 400-500 range.
 

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There are two worlds in the 98k market. Here is how I see them...
The "collector's" world, and the "Looks" world. There will always be buyers in both worlds, but merchandise from those two worlds rarely is acceptable in both worlds. "Collectors" value originality, while those "Looks" buyers value looks over originality. Both may cherish a very minty looking but unmolested rifle, but "collectors" will not go ape over a very nice but reblued rifle.

Your rifle is pretty, but reblued, and as such will only sell best in the "Looks" world.
It is basically excluded from ever really belonging again in the "Collector's" world. If it crosses over, it's value will always be seriously downgraded by collectors due to the re-blue. The "Collector's" world will always give a better return on investment.
You prabably paid a fair retail price in the "Looks" world, but overpaid for the "Collector's" world. Now all you have to do is decide what type of collector you want to be.
 

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You prabably paid a fair retail price in the "Looks" world, but overpaid for the "Collector's" world. Now all you have to do is decide what type of collector you want to be.
Right now, since I'm new to K98s, I'm more of a "Looks" type, but as time goes by I do want to get into the "Collector" side of things. Unfortunately, it seems like finding that "just right" all-original, matching K98 is a very hard task, or am I looking in the wrong places?
 

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Right now, since I'm new to K98s, I'm more of a "Looks" type, but as time goes by I do want to get into the "Collector" side of things. Unfortunately, it seems like finding that "just right" all-original, matching K98 is a very hard task, or am I looking in the wrong places?
As a new collector, expect your taste to change. The more you get into it, your desire for unmessed with, excellent condition, all original matching, non-import marked rifles will grow. It's a never ending search for that perfect rifle. What's a couple hundred bucks difference if it makes you happy. You've got a nice looking rifle you can take to the range. It's only the start of your collecting career. Enjoy it!

PS - I concur with micmacman, well said Bill.
 

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Enjoy it!
Oh, I will, no doubt about that! It's just that, now that I have some money to throw around (amazing what a new job will do to one's lifestyle :D), I really, really would like to find that all-matching K98 (that I can afford ;) ). Just gotta show some patience...
 

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You are doing ok. I stared out with a Yugo capture K98 that I paid $200 for. I thought I did good at the time, hell it had 2 or 3 waffenamts on it still. I can still recall the joy that rifle brought me and never was the wiser that I overpaid by $125.00 at the time. Be patient- make friends, and keep cash handy. If you find the right buddies, they will spend your money for you on good guns all the time......
 

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It is a learning process and I've overpaid and I've underpaid. I like to think they even out in the long run. :)

Best thing is to read, look and learn. And enjoy.
 

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Unfortunately, it seems like finding that "just right" all-original, matching K98 is a very hard task, or am I looking in the wrong places?
Righteous original 98k's are highly saught after, and as such the prices have been rising at a steady rate do to the competition for them. There are like 200 willing purchaser/collectors for every righteous 98k that shows up.

Not sure where all you have been looking, but the auction sites will be a hard market to compete in. They provide some of the best prices for a seller, but the most costly for the buyer. There are also a lot of fraudulent, or questionable rifles on the auction sites. Even a number of the famous auction houses are known for high prices, but not always "righteous" merchandise.

Here are some of your best bets.....

Small local shows (Be in the doors as early as possible....everything good will sell in the first 1/2 hour)...big shows are fun entertainment, but have too many sharks for a new guy....visit them, but don't plan on finding deals there till you have your feet wet some.

Next...small local shops that don't specialize in military stuff....visit them on a regular basis, and let the owners know you have ready cash, and will be there quickly with it if they get an old "Bring Back" military rifle in. Don't be choosey with them, if they get a french rifle in, and even if it is not your taste, buy it, and pass it on to somebody else. The shop owner needs to be able to rely on you for always being willing to buy those odd old rifle he knows nothing about. In my younger days I dealt with an owner like this for years....he always offered $50 (1980's) for whatever military rifle got brought in to his shop. He then turned around and usually only asked $75 of me. I bought EVERYTHING he got. Sure one day it might be a beater carcano, but the next day it just might be a G-43....and for me that happened! (I always gave him extra $$ on sweet deals like that even though he didn't ask for it) He knew that I would buy everything, so he never even put stuff out on the rack or bothered researching it, he just left it behind the counter waiting for me. But if I had not bought everything, or hesitated, or put stuff on layaway... he would have found somebody else. I'm not saying buy $100 rifles for $500, but if it is a $100 rifle and he wants $125 , don't argue, buy it, and think of it as an investment. This method may take a while...think it took 8 months of twice weekly visits before the guy ever showed me a military rifle he had set back....but I made sure to buy it. After that he showed me everything.

Local auctions... Auctioneers often run into old rifles and don't even know how to describe them in auction sale bills....so if you see a listing for a gun....go check it out....one of my best deals I got at a local auction was a matching Luftwaffe marked byf 41. It was described as "7mm Japanese Rifle" in the sale bill....it only cost me $140. Don't assume the auctioneer knows what it is even if he gives it a name in the sale bill.

Then as said above....get to know fellow collectors. Even those who collect other than German....they may run into a german rifle and just pass it along to you....in return if you know they like carcanos, and you run into one....pass it along to them. In other words network with other collectors.

The German rifle collectors world is a wild and mixed bag of characters. Some great guys with knowledge beyond measure, and who will freely help you get started (Many of this lot are found on this board, and over at the G/K43 forum and others) and then there are some real turds who will either skin you for $5 in extra profit, or who will not share knowledge thinking that they can compete against you better if you are ignorant.

Get to know this first lot....they sometimes will change collecting focus and sell off great rifles, or sell off duplicates....hang out on these forums, and don't be afraid to ask questions. Get reference books and CD's...(even $100 books will pay for themselves with knowledge...spot the rare variation nobody else did and you get a bargain!) Watch the online auctions...less for items to buy, but more to keep up on current market prices. Even watch those rifles you don't want to collect just in case you stumble onto one. Then just have your cash ready and sooner or later an opportunity will open up, and you can strike.

In short, a lot of the process of finding good 98k's is to be in the right place at the right time, so if you want them, be sure to get yourself in those places... be patient.... and be ready!
 

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An example of the difference in value of rifles in the 2 worlds - you paid $700 for what most in the collecting side would value at - Maby - $300.
An all matching except bolt, original K98k in VG+ condition will sell for $700.
They are out there you just have to look for them.
Good luck
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An all matching except bolt, original K98k in VG+ condition will sell for $700.
They are out there you just have to look for them.
Good luck
Actually, I did find one, and it should be here soon. :) I'll post pics when I get it.
 

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Friend, you was robbed. And you were a willing victim.
Do yourself a favor and educate yourself on the depth of the water before plunging in.

There is enough info on these boards to get you started if you do your homework.

Any refinish, mismatching, replacing, refurbing, etc are serious or fatal flaws.

I know someone is going to bring up some real oscure transitional piece, but in general the things I and others have mentioned are the facts.

That guy is still laughing at you.
 

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I don't know if you got robbed, personally I think the rifle looks pretty nice, maybe not $700.00 nice, but I think it'll get there eventually. The only thing that bothers me is that some of the serial numbers look a little odd, it might be my imagination, I'm certainly not an expert.
 

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Last year I was able to pick up an original all matching BNZ 44 large font (bolt m/m) from my gunstore. No one cared or knew about K98s I guess so it was sitting there all the time. Price was $400 but was able to get it for $300 when I paid by check. If I paid by VISA there would've been no discount. Gun shop said if I paid by cash he would knock off a couple more $$$ but I didn't have that much cash at that time. Discount was only good at that moment too. If I walked out of the store then the discount would've been revoked even if I came back the next day to pay.

Well anyway it was an all matching unrefurb BNZ 44 including stock/handguard with the bolt being the only mismatch. There was also an old and slight CAI import mark on the right muzzle area. Bore was also dark and I would say shot out. There was also a crack in the stock from long ago probably due to water damage (it was a white glue laminate stock). Stock also had some kind of hard oil finish on it (probably applied long ago to protect the wood from water since it was a white glue stock and sensitive to water). Bought it anyways since for an RC price I get an all original almost all matching piece.

So considering the stock was also original and matching, no metal had been reblued and all swastikas/WaA intact with only the bolt being the mismatch (but matched itself) I think for $300 it was a good deal. Now it's in my safe and just serves as a historical piece.
 
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