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I predict there won't be much to see once the accounts are opened to Congress.
 

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I predict there won't be much to see once the accounts are opened to Congress.
That will not keep ceretain nutbars in congress from claiming that there is something ghastly in there. As I understand, the dimmest bulb on the Science Committee is not going to be there any more, but don't you find it the least bit discomforting to watch what Michelle Bachman does with science when she gets her hands on it?
 

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That will not keep ceretain nutbars in congress from claiming that there is something ghastly in there. As I understand, the dimmest bulb on the Science Committee is not going to be there any more, but don't you find it the least bit discomforting to watch what Michelle Bachman does with science when she gets her hands on it?
Talk about morons? He's on your side:laugh:

 

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What's ghastly there?

There really is no EPA, or might as well not be.

What they'll find is that the environmental action groups are really writing EPA policy and regulations. Those gooberment employees are nothing but a conduit for the Environmental Defence Fund, Sierra Club, Greenpeace, Natural Resources Defense Council , et. al.
 

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they can't shreaded paper and recycled...computers......its there way!
 

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I tell ya what's ghastly...The EPA building occupying an entire city block in DC, 5 stories tall. Ever wonder what their carbon footprint is?
 

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What's ghastly there?

There really is no EPA, or might as well not be.

What they'll find is that the environmental action groups are really writing EPA policy and regulations. Those gooberment employees are nothing but a conduit for the Environmental Defence Fund, Sierra Club, Greenpeace, Natural Resources Defense Council , et. al.
And how is that worse than letting BP and Massey Energy write their policies?
 

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...I'll tell you how it's worse, and I'll type s-l-o-w-l-y. The energy companies provide products we all need to survive. Your environmental terrorist groups provide nothing anyone needs. That you can't figure that out is at the root of your ignorance.
 

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...I'll tell you how it's worse, and I'll type s-l-o-w-l-y. The energy companies provide products we all need to survive. Your environmental terrorist groups provide nothing anyone needs. That you can't figure that out is at the root of your ignorance.
No, the root of his ignorance is his unwillingness to look at the evidence and analyze it. Ignorance is curable. If you are not willfully blind to reality...
 

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...I'll tell you how it's worse, and I'll type s-l-o-w-l-y. The energy companies provide products we all need to survive. Your environmental terrorist groups provide nothing anyone needs. That you can't figure that out is at the root of your ignorance.
They also damage the environment to some degree. Then they try to use their leverage to avoid cleaning up the dreck they dump on us. The mess in the Gulf is not cleaned up, probably won't be for decades. So how should BP get any leverage? They need to be regulated as a matter of public safety. If anything the regs and enforcement are too loose.

In case you missed it, ENRON broke California.

As for nuclear power, the consequences are a lot wider-spread than some people realize. Our demand for uranium is already killing off the Tuareg, maybe the Wodabi. Now the energy companies want us to relax the restrictions here, allowing even more toxins and raidoactive watse into the water supply.

People, we need potable water a lot more than we need neon signs on businesses that have closed for the evening.
 

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In case you missed it, ENRON broke California.
...No they didn't, California's still here, it's Enron that's gone. In case you missed it. What busts California's nut is that they can't refine all the gasoline they use every day because Lefties won't let them build refinery's. And they can't make all the electricity they use because Lefties won't let them build power plants. So California has to go begging every day for the power it needs. California, with more hydroelectric potential than any other stete. California, with more proven oil reserves than Texas. Los Angeles just put a ballot measure on that askes to raise the sales tax to 9.5%.
...California has too many Commies and Socialists, illegals and dopers. In everything else, we have a dirth.
 

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...No they didn't, California's still here, it's Enron that's gone. In case you missed it. What busts California's nut is that they can't refine all the gasoline they use every day because Lefties won't let them build refinery's.
Well, maybe the oil companies should spend less money on executive bonuses or buying advertising and buying politicians and a little more on research into how to make gasoline without releasing benzine into the environment. We need potable water more than we need gasoline.

And they can't make all the electricity they use because Lefties won't let them build power plants. So California has to go begging every day for the power it needs. California, with more hydroelectric potential than any other stete. California, with more proven oil reserves than Texas.
You seem to have the mistaken impression that there is no harmful impact on the food supply if they build all the hydro-electric projects they need to keep the neon signs lit.

Los Angeles just put a ballot measure on that askes to raise the sales tax to 9.5%.
No question that sales taxes on most consumer items suck. A sales tax on real estate transfers and changes in land use from agricultural to industrial or housing would make some sense. The main source of revenue should really be a graduated income tax, to cover everything, including education. It is the only ad valorem tax that does not harm commerce and material entrepreneurialism.

...California has too many Commies and Socialists, illegals and dopers. In everything else, we have a dirth.
The case could also be made that you have too many spoiled capitalists who think that they should be subsidized for jobs they create someplace else or for producing paper wealth with other people's money.
 

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No. there should be something like a flat tax - everybody (and I mean everybody) should pay at the same rate.
 

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In case you missed it, ENRON broke California.
Nope. What btroke California was their refusal to allow sufficient generating capacity by building new power plants. That put them at the mercy of unscrupulous interstate energy brokers like Enron.

BTW Lefty, Enron got out of the energy producing and transporting business itself except for one natural gas pipeline. All the damage it did was in buying and selling energy futures and the SEC, NOT EPA, was resposible for regulating that because the only environmental impact Enron had was from the trees it cut down to print its worthless paper.

The SEC being as brain dead as most of the government and its civil service lawyers and analysts completely overpowered by the much more competent people hired by the companies it is supposed to regulate there was no way in Ach Eee double hockeysticks it could prevent an Enron debacle that every reputable outside analyst saw coming.
 

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No. there should be something like a flat tax - everybody (and I mean everybody) should pay at the same rate.
And no, there should just be a consumption tax. So even people like Lefty have to pay their fair share.
 

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...Dreamers ! Before the ink is dry on the electrons the same grifters and thieves who wrote the flat tax law will be carving out exceptions for their constituancies. " Everybody, and i mean everybody "should pay the same rate. NEVER HAPPEN. And it never has happened. Just put down the hooka and get away from the tax code. Get on your unicorn and go back to utopia, you know , the one that never was nor will be.
 
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