[themosinator]

Have been reading a bit about these lately, and have seen some mention that these are starting to "pop up" in the wild more and more nowadays...


...so...to help boost some interest in sharing info about these fascinating firearms, I am suggesting that some of you members post your pics of your Capture/Re-captures (or, in the absence of photos, just the general info about your Capture/Re-capture)


...waddy'all think??...Let's DO THIS!!!...:thumbsup:

 

[Mike O]

I don't have any pics handy but I have the following re-captures in my collection
1939 Tula 91/30 Century Arms billboard import stamp
1930 Tula 91/30 RGuns import stamp
1944 Tikka barrel 91/30 RGuns import stamp

 

[azdoug]

I recently picked up a 1943 Tikka on a 1938 Tula round receiver, Soviet refurb with Century billboard that I posted here a few weeks ago, then found a 1943 Tikka hex receiver Soviet refurb with Century billboard that I am still waiting on. My FFL dealer had to go out of town on a family emergency, so my receiving it is getting delayed by a week or so. The wait is KILLING me.

 

[jaz5833]

I'm not quite sure how you would verify 'recapture' -for instance - M91/30 rifle marked SA = captured or aquired by Finland. How would you then know if it had been recaptured by the Soviets? Outside this I do have a 1914 Izhevsk that is both SA and AZF marked although I am not knowledgeable enough to say which mark came first and how they came to be.

 

[Caribou]

"Re captures" would be a 91/30 that has Finn marks added, such a 'D' and 'SA' and then taken 'recaptured' by th eSoviets and sold here among "Refurrbs" as indicated by Soviet stampings and refurrbishment, sold by specific importers who brought their rifles from the Former Soviet Union, not Finland.

 

[Dutoy]

My rifles may have stayed in Finland, but Finland was captured and recaptured: In 1917, Finland declared independence. A civil war between the Finnish Red Guards and the White Guard ensued a few months later with the "Whites" gaining the upper hand. After the internal affairs stabilized, the still mainly agrarian economy grew relatively fast. Relations with the West, especially Sweden and Britain, were strong but tensions remained with the Soviet Union. During the Second World War, Finland fought twice against the Soviet Union, but lost and had to cede most of Karelia to the USSR. It remained an independent democracy in Western Europe.

 

[Pahtu]

I also bought from a member a 1938 Tula SA capture Soviet recapture 91-30.

Pahtu.

 

[themosinator]

Okay!!!...Nice pics folks!!...


and...to the posters who are not understanding my intentions here:

I wanted to start a thread that shows Mosin Nagants that were captured FROM THE SOVIETS by FINLAND (typically during the Winter War), and as indicated by the [SA] and/or D mark...and THEN, RE-captured by the SOVIETS (typically during the Continuation War), as indicated by the recent import markings, Soviet/Ukrainian refurb. marks, etc.
I hope this clarifies things...AND...I am looking forward to WAY more photos, please!!!!! :thumbsup:

 

[Sgt Frank Rock]

1939 Izhevsk M91/30 (no pics yet)
Non-Refurb
SA Stamp
All Izhevsk except for Tula Floorplate only
Matching except for Floorplate which has the same prefix letters stamped with 2 lined-through serials
CCCP & AM Circular stamps on stock
CAI Import stamp on barrel

 

[91/30refurb]

Picked this one up last week. Hope to see another when I stop in tomorrow. Would have stopped today, but my furnace went out last night and I had to get home and fix it. Only a 12.00 fix, so I still have gun money I can spend. :thumbsup:

 

[Dutoy]

Pictures added

My rifles may have stayed in Finland, but Finland was captured and recaptured: In 1917, Finland declared independence. A civil war between the Finnish Red Guards and the White Guard ensued a few months later with the "Whites" gaining the upper hand. After the internal affairs stabilized, the still mainly agrarian economy grew relatively fast. Relations with the West, especially Sweden and Britain, were strong but tensions remained with the Soviet Union. During the Second World War, Finland fought twice against the Soviet Union, but lost and had to cede most of Karelia to the USSR. It remained an independent democracy in Western Europe.

 

[Nirvana]

Repost of mine:
I went to a local store that I hadn't been to in a while, on the off chance that something might have showed up. They had what appeared to be the same rack of 91/30s there, just as I remember it, but out of habit I decided to fondle each one. I was sorta looking for an Ex PE-Sniper, but when I saw this......

1941 dated Izhevsk. Basic refurb, imported by Liberty International, all stamped matching with no line outs.

This seems like a later date for a Finn capture, so it must have been captured and then re-captured during the continuation war.

Came in a prewar stock with screwed in holders. I needed it like a needed another hole in my head, but with a sling, mismatched bayonet, and cleaning kit for the price I paid, I wasn't going to argue.....

Here is a list of the Tikka 91/30 "re-captures" I have heard of:
50010
51286
52023
52553
53276
53996 is the Tikka 91/59
54372

 

[91/30refurb]

Very nice Nirvana, thats exactly what Themosinater is talking about. How long ago did you get it? Got mine about 10 days ago, from RGuns. Again, very nice.

 

[Nirvana]

Very nice Nirvana, thats exactly what Themosinater is talking about. How long ago did you get it? Got mine about 10 days ago, from RGuns. Again, very nice.

Picked mine up in October 2011, I think, at a local shop i rarely visit.

Its been my experience, from the re-captures I've seen, that these guns had a rough life. Most I have examined seem to have lots of fine pitting all over the action, as if they were left outside and recovered a while later. Your gun has this, as does mine. My other refurbs don't seem to have this.

 

[karhu308]

I wish I had a re-capture to post pictures of, I find them to be quite fascinating.

 

[Pahtu]

Picked mine up in October 2011, I think, at a local shop i rarely visit.

Its been my experience, from the re-captures I've seen, that these guns had a rough life. Most I have examined seem to have lots of fine pitting all over the action, as if they were left outside and recovered a while later. Your gun has this, as does mine. My other refurbs don't seem to have this.

Yes the capture recapture 91-30 I bought from a member has pitting IIRC all along one side of the piece.

Pahtu.

 

[Denny]

I wish I had a re-capture to post pictures of, I find them to be quite fascinating.

+1...the hopes of finding one of these keeps me digging thru crates/racks of refirbs.

 

[jaz5833]

Finally got to mine.

1941 SA, D stamped Izhevsk M91/30. Import stamped, troop art and it escaped the refurbishment process. I think it even has the original sling and dog collars.

 

[Layer Cake]

How about a Russian-German-Russian recapture? I know this is Finn recaptures, but no harm in asking:

This is mine, but Iron Colonel was willing to ask for advice for me, before I had an account on here:

http://forums.gunboards.com/showthr...-German-Stampings-on-it&p=1479228#post1479228

Not a WW1, but WW2, as it's a 1932 Tula (refurb).

and here is the meaning (or at least our best guesses):
http://7.62x54r.net/Forums/index.php?topic=12032.msg119203#msg119203

 

[Pahtu]

Classic signs of Finnish capture, Soviet recapture firearms.

1. Gun has of course a Finnish army property mark. SA in a box, perhaps D stamped as well. Very few have the PL stamp.

2. Soviet dark refurb blue on the metal, with what we know as refurb stamps on the barrel shank/receiver. The pre 1940's rifles will/should have the upgraded pinned rear sight.

3. The barrel will be import stamped on the end of the barrel or the large billboard import stamp on the receiver.

4. The stock has the refurb shellack with or without a refurb stamp on the stock.

5. The only rifles I have noticed that are Finn capture/Soviet recapture are 91-30s.

6. The lucky buggars that have a Tikka 91-30 with the above features have a compound rare rifle.

Hope this helps clarify, there are thousands of Finn captured 91-30s in the U.S. & a whole bunch of Finned M91s. these are not the capture recapture pieces we are talking about.

Pahtu.