[m49]

Hello I am a new member and have a question about a Mosin Nagant I was given.

From the photos can someone help me determine the variant of this rifle?

Pretty certain it's a Finn. It has "SA" in a rectangle on the side of the barrel. There is no handguard on top of the barrel and the bands are not made to attach a guard as far as I can tell.

Also please tell me what the mark that looks like a pineapple (?) on top of the receiver is in the top photo. (right side)

I am thinking it is an 1891, maybe an m91???

Or maybe it's been cobbled together from several different rifles.

Thank-you for your time.

m49

 

[7.62x54r]

It's a Finnish VKT M91 that is missing the handguard which has small metal tabs that fit under the barrel bands. The mark is the Russian imperial eagle/proof commission mark placed there when the original rifle the receiver was part of was built. All Finnish Mosins are "cobbled together".

 

[Lemmy]

It seems to be a Mosin-Nagant m1891 (m/91) infantry rifle.

It has a Finnish made barrel (VKT) from 1941. It should have a handguard.

"Pineapple" is imperial Russian crest.

 

[m49]

Thank-you

Thank-you for the fast responses.

I'd assume there is no significant value for this rifle. I hope to buy some ammo and shoot it soon.

For the sake of originality would it be hard to find and purchase a handguard for this rifle?

Again Thanks,

m49

 

[7.62x54r]

Finn Mosins are among the more desirable variations. M91s are not as sought after as the less common M24s, M27s, M28s, etc., but much more desirable than the typical Soviet M91/30, M38, or M44. Value is from $150 to $300 depending on condition and location. Try Rick Reich on the sponsor page for a handguard. http://forums.gunboards.com/showthread.php?t=5187 Military Gun Supply had some a while back also, but I don't know if they still do.

 

[gun_nut_73]

On the contrary, Finnish M91's are desirable. Almost anyone on the boards would gladly trade a shiny new refurbished M91/30 for it. Including me.

Ammunition is still available, both commercial and surplus.

Look under the receiver tang, and you will find the date the receiver was made. If it was made in 1898 or earlier, it is an antique.

I hope you enjoy it, and please take care of it.

 

[gunhorde]

Re: "no significant value"

Thank-you for the fast responses.

I'd assume there is no significant value for this rifle. I hope to buy some ammo and shoot it soon.

For the sake of originality would it be hard to find and purchase a handguard for this rifle?

Again Thanks,

m49

Actually, a 1941 VKT M.91 is pretty collectible, to a Finn collector (if in original condition). I had one I sold last year for $250.00.

M.91 handguards can be found for it as well.

 

[m49]

They are offering Russian 91 or Russian 91/30 handguards. Would either of these fit my rifle?

Thanks, m49

Finn Mosins are among the more desirable variations. M91s are not as sought after as the less common M24s, M27s, M28s, etc., but much more desirable than the typical Soviet M91/30, M38, or M44. Value is from $150 to $300 depending on condition and location. Try Rick Reich on the sponsor page for a handguard. http://forums.gunboards.com/showthread.php?t=5187 Military Gun Supply had some a while back also, but I don't know if they still do.

 

[7.62x54r]

M91, not M91/30.

 

[m49]

M91, not M91/30.

OK thanks, so an M91 is an M91 regardless of it's nationality.


m49

 

[Alakablam]

Congratulations on a nice rifle. I can see the D underneath the VKT emblem on the barrel shank, but due to where the picture cuts off we cannot see much above the VKT diamond. Is there a B stamped above it like the example at this link?

http://7.62x54r.net/MosinID/0145.jpg

If so this is an even more desireable rifle, if not, it is still a nice prize. Thanks for sharing.

 

[m49]

Nope, no B stamp. There is a V or maybe an M stamped on top of the barrel in front of the rear sight.

Thanks, m49

Congratulations on a nice rifle. I can see the D underneath the VKT emblem on the barrel shank, but due to where the picture cuts off we cannot see much above the VKT diamond. Is there a B stamped above it like the example at this link?

http://7.62x54r.net/MosinID/0145.jpg

If so this is an even more desireable rifle, if not, it is still a nice prize. Thanks for sharing.

 

[bones92]

OK thanks, so an M91 is an M91 regardless of it's nationality.

m49

Well, yes... and no. There are Russian M91's and there are Finn M91's. For the most part, they are identical.

Russians made/contracted for M1891's from early 1890's until around 1924-25. These included Russian-made ones (Izhevsk and Tula early 1890's to mid 1920s; Sestroretsk early 1890's to around 1917-18), French-made (Chatellerault 1891-1894/5) and American-made (Remington and New England Westinghouse, 1916-1918).

The Finns "made" M91's starting in the 1920's. For the most part, these consist of the M91/24 and early Tikka M91's, some with heavier barrels that were stepped at the end, some tapered at the end. After that, they did not produce any until VKT and Tikka began production again in 1940.

Note that the Finns never made a receiver for Mosin Nagant production, but instead, they used receivers from captured, inherited or purchased rifles. They did make their own stocks (primarily in the 1940s) though early Finn M91's have recycled Russian-service stocks. A stock with the splice in the middle is Finn-made. As I recall, all one-piece M91 stocks were originally Russian-army.