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Prez1981
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Posted - 07/30/2007 : 2:47:51 PM
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So, if 10,218 Model 90 carbines were produced for/sold to Bulgaria prior to 1897, does anyone know if they bore any specific markings like the Model 88 rifles did? Has anyone heard of any Bulgarian marked M90's turning up stateside? I know of M90's with eagles on the barrel and receiver but devoid of Wn or Bp markings, but don't think it is appropriate to assume that they were part of the Bulgarian contract. Can anyone shed any light on the Bulgarian M90 carbines?

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Posted - 07/30/2007 : 4:18:58 PM
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.. Can anyone shed any light on the Bulgarian M90 carbines?

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I will ask my fellow Bulgarian collectors, but it will take some time. The problem with them is that the ownership of multiple guns in Bulgaria requires a "collector's license", which, I was told, is very hard to get and very few of them have it. The local definition of an antique weapon is anything made prior to 1870, but there is a really bad catch there - if "ammunition cannot be obtained", which leaves the door wide open to any a$$hole's in charge interpretation. The result is that they all hide their guns and don't show anything in public places such as the Internet. So I have to inquire personally, which will take some time.

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Prez1981
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Posted - 07/30/2007 : 4:49:27 PM
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Thanks, I appreciate it. In particular, I was wondering if they are also marked with the Bulgarian lion, which would be an easy way to differentiate them.
Thanks again.


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Posted - 07/30/2007 : 7:54:46 PM
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In all my days of collecting WWI weapons, I have never run accross a M90 that was marked and accepted any any way by Bulgaria. We have seen the pictures of them in pre-WWI times but never any info on markings. I believe that they had none. The rifles bought by Bulgaria after the First Bulkan War went through a third party and were in turn marked when accepted by Bulgaria. I have 2 of them. Both marked by Austria and then by Bulgaria. They were Austrian 86/90's.

dg13

PS It would be great to find out if they had some consistant acceptance markings!!!

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Posted - 07/30/2007 : 8:49:40 PM
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...They were Austrian 86/90's....
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Actually, the question was about the M.90 carbines. But your observation on the M.90 infantry rifles is very interesting, indeed. I have to concentrate on these a bit more.

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Mc
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Posted - 08/08/2007 : 7:07:57 PM
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I have an M90 carbine that has the Bulgarian Lion stamped on the right hand side of the receiver and the barrel. I assume this is what you are looking for, would you like pics?
Mc

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Nick
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Posted - 08/08/2007 : 9:14:26 PM
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Yes, please!

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Posted - 08/09/2007 : 6:48:53 PM
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Here are a couple of snaps of my Bulgarian M90 carbine. As you can see there are three lions stamped into it, one on the top of the chamber, one on the side of the receiver and one on the side of the barrel. Does the 1099 signify the date it was accepted by the Bulgarians?
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dg13
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Posted - 08/09/2007 : 8:50:34 PM
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You have a very rare carbine! Thanks for showing it. I've never seen one before. It is marked about the same way a Bulgarian rifle is marked. Ashame it was converted to 8x56R but hey I would love to own it!
dg13

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Posted - 08/09/2007 : 9:08:00 PM
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Thanks! That's how a Bulgarian collector described his. I am jealous, jealous!

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Prez1981
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Posted - 08/10/2007 : 12:14:51 PM
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I agree! That is an exceedingly rare carbine. I would assume that the 1909 is the Bulgarian SN, as Bulgaria was receiving M95 carbines by that date.
Thanks for sharing those pictures!


Mc
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Posted - 08/10/2007 : 12:39:42 PM
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Glad to be able to provide some eye candy for you guys! I didn't realize
these were that rare. Got this about seven years ago from this board.
Mc

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Nick
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Posted - 08/10/2007 : 3:58:51 PM
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I almost bought one like yours - S-convertion and in a M.95 stock with a M.95 bolt & magazine, but was a bit late. I may have missed it for good as the correct M.90 stock, bolt & magazine are unobtainable and the struggle to find them would have been unbearable...

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Mc
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Posted - 08/11/2007 : 11:27:33 AM
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It is in an original stock, if the only difference in the bolt is the cocking piece I have one. What is the magazine difference? Any pics available?
Thanks,
Mc

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Posted - 08/11/2007 : 12:45:26 PM
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It is in an original stock, if the only difference in the bolt is the cocking piece I have one. What is the magazine difference? Any pics available?
Thanks,
Mc

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Not only is the cocking piece different, the bolt body is different (although interchangeable with M.95). The magazine has a different follower assembly:

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Mc
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Posted - 08/11/2007 : 7:56:47 PM
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Nick,
Thanks for the pictures and information. How is the bolt different? What would I look for??
Mc

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Posted - 08/11/2007 : 9:38:18 PM
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Nick,
Thanks for the pictures and information. How is the bolt different? What would I look for??
Mc

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The bolt body follows the curvature of the receiver:

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Mc
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Posted - 08/11/2007 : 10:04:21 PM
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To quote William Holden, "Ach soo!". Now I know what to look for. Appreciate it.
Mc

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