[Claven2]

I bought a rather nice Model 1936 mexican mauser in 7x57 today that is all matching and excellent bore. Unfortunately, I think I'm missing three parts:

1) the cleaning rod - I know what they are supposed to look like as I saw one in the Model 1954 that was next to it (I passed on that one) and they are supposed to be identical. It looked like a straight piece of drill rod, all the same diameter, with a jag slot in it. Anyone know where to source one, or alternately have accurate dimensions of one so I could replicate it? (yes, I have a lathe and mill).

2) the front band screw that holds on that little swivel toggle (?). The band on these is held on by a band spring, but there's a cinching area with a screw that cinches onto some kind of toggle. I need the screw, or dimensions of same to make a replacement.

3) The toggle noted in point 2 above - I don't even know what this looks like. The pics of the rifle I found online had part of it broken away and the M1954 varian doesn't appear to have this part. Anyone know what it is supposed to look like or where to find one?

I bought the rifle on a business trip and it's being shipped to me later next week. When I get it, I'll post pics as these mexican amusers seem to be rather rare in decent condition.

Also, it had a brass ID disk fastened to the buttock toe, which I understand is typical.

Any help is appreciated.

Edit:

I *think* this is what the toggle or swivel is supposed to look like in the front band...?

 

[JL]

The hole in that toggle had a stacking swivel in it. The rod has a step in it for the sling band spring to hold it. At least I think it is held in the same as the 1954. My 36 is too tight to get out easily. JL

 

[Claven2]

Is it the same stacking swivel as a milled M1903 springfield swivel? Any chance you can post the dimensions of a real 36 rod (my rifle is also a 36) and maybe good photos of it?

 

[JL]

My 03 doesn't have a stacking swivel on it so I included a pic with my brit used 1914, which looks a little thicker than the mex. Tried the 36 rod in a 1916 spanish and it looked like they would interchange. Mexican 36 and 54, 2 1/2 " to cut out which is 1/4 wide, overall 14 1/4" for the 36. JL

 

[gremlin1945]

The picture I'm looking at in MMRotW shows the front sling swivel mounted on the thin lower band not the upper behind the bayonet lug.

 

[TP]

Yes, the sling swivel is on the lower band but the stacking hook is fitted to the front band, like on the US M1903 Springfield. The Mexicans appear to have copied many features of the '03 Springfield when they designed both the M1936 and M1954 rifles.

 

[Claven2]

Thanks for the info guys. In the pic, is the mexican ro the top one or the bottom rod? What is the diameter at the cutout and the diameter of the rod elsewhere?

 

[JL]

Top rod is 1954, bottom 1936, 1/2" shorter. Both are 1/4"diam. JL

 

[Claven2]

Thanks. Liberty Tree seems to have longer 17.25" rods from spanish and chilean amusers that might be easy to modify into a mexican rod... maybe I'll order one of those after my rifle arrives and turn it down to length, and re-thread the patch holder accordingly.

 

[John Wall]

Hi Ron,
I may still have some of these old Mexican '36 rods from Springfield Sporters. I'll check and see what's there and if one or more measure up.
Best Regards,
John

 

[Claven2]

Thanks John, if you have one you're a life saver!

Anyone got a nice closeup picture of an original stacking swivel?

 

[John Wall]

Hi Ron,
I may still have some of these old Mexican '36 rods from Springfield Sporters. I'll check and see what's there and if one or more measure up.
Best Regards,
John

Ron,
Found them! Bad news however. They are all 17 3/8's inches long. They must be for the M1910 Mexican long rifle.
Regards,
John

 

[Claven2]

Hi John,

Provided they are the right diameter, I'd still love to have one. I can trim it on the lathe and mill a new slot based on the measurements here Can you pm me on maybe acquiring one from you?

 

[mauserdad]

Here are PIC's of the one on my 1936. I can not tell you that it is original since I have never seen another 1936 up close. Anyway it appears to be identical to the ones on my Springfield 03"s. HTH. Ed

 

[mauserdad]

Try this link for detail PIC's. I can not tell if there's is broken off. Ed
http://collectiblefirearms.com/RiflesMauser.html

 

[Claven2]

Yeah, that one is busted off.

The one you have is clearly a 1903 swivel - no idea if that's proper or not? I have a couple spares identical to that in my parts bin though... The broken ones I've seen look more like Enfield swivels though as they have a spur on them to prevent the swivel from going up too high.

 

[mauserdad]

Look at this link. It appears to be the same as on mine. Ed
http://www.surplusrifleforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=96916

 

[John Wall]

Look at this link. It appears to be the same as on mine. Ed
http://www.surplusrifleforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=96916

Ed,
I hope not! The sight hood and the upper sling band and both swivels have been diddled by Bubba. The hood is German and the band and swivels are Spanish. I wonder if Bubba messed with the stacking swivel too? I've owned only two 36's but neither had a swivel (stacking or otherwise) in that upper band.
Regards,
John

 

[mauserdad]

Good eyes John. I did not pay any attention to the band or hood. I was concentrating on the stacking swivel. Thats what I was refering to on mine. Thanks. Ed

 

[JL]

Pics of 1936 stacking swivel. Center pic shows full forward position, the angle shown in right pic stops further rotation. Swivel is 2 pieces, rotating piece, shown in original subject rifle, and the swivel that goes through it. One of my 1936 have only the rotating part, 2 have comlete swivels, neither 1954 have either part of the swivel. JL