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Alamas:
Thank you for this information. Your research is so precise, and presented so directly, that it leaves we with little but praise as a response. I spent last night revisiting our Tulle Lebels, placing the names to the dates, and was rewarded with the recollection of a mystery which remains unresolved in my ignorant mind. If Tulle was responsible for the final assembly of the Mle 1886 M93 R35s, why was the circle "L" omitted from that model?
A favorite rifle with a Tulle marked receiver and MA T1920N marked barrel, but with the Chatellerault prefix of "AE" has the "L" stamp upon the left hand chamber swell. I have assumed this rework was so admirably accomplished at MAT. The question which arises from the R35s is why has the "L" not been present on any of the examples which I have observed? Also, what is the actual significance of the manufacturer's code in the location just above the serial number? In the case of our two remaining carbines that code is "AEG" for "General Electric", I presume? The right side of the barrels are stamped "MAP 1936" and "SACM 1937", (you have them in your notes). Do you know which of these provided the barrels and which barreled the receivers, if they were not one in the same? Was Tulle the actual final assembly facility or was it a final inspection location for subcontractors' assemblages?
Edit: I see that your list is gone. I am glad that I noted the names pertinent to the time-frame of my interest, but next time I shall copy any such list in its entirety. As always, I wish you well.
Thank you for this information. Your research is so precise, and presented so directly, that it leaves we with little but praise as a response. I spent last night revisiting our Tulle Lebels, placing the names to the dates, and was rewarded with the recollection of a mystery which remains unresolved in my ignorant mind. If Tulle was responsible for the final assembly of the Mle 1886 M93 R35s, why was the circle "L" omitted from that model?
A favorite rifle with a Tulle marked receiver and MA T1920N marked barrel, but with the Chatellerault prefix of "AE" has the "L" stamp upon the left hand chamber swell. I have assumed this rework was so admirably accomplished at MAT. The question which arises from the R35s is why has the "L" not been present on any of the examples which I have observed? Also, what is the actual significance of the manufacturer's code in the location just above the serial number? In the case of our two remaining carbines that code is "AEG" for "General Electric", I presume? The right side of the barrels are stamped "MAP 1936" and "SACM 1937", (you have them in your notes). Do you know which of these provided the barrels and which barreled the receivers, if they were not one in the same? Was Tulle the actual final assembly facility or was it a final inspection location for subcontractors' assemblages?
Edit: I see that your list is gone. I am glad that I noted the names pertinent to the time-frame of my interest, but next time I shall copy any such list in its entirety. As always, I wish you well.
You can find the signature of the directors of Tulle on the barrels made at Tulle. If the barrel is not made at Tulle, even if the assembly is made at Tulle, you cannot find the signature of a Tulle director on it. I Know something like 50 R35. Only one has a Tulle barrel. The signature on it is correct for the year (1938) : (B) for Charles BRION.
Since the listing didn't seem to interest people, I didn't want to bother anyone and I removed the whole thing. About AEG, I don't know the real name behind the code.
Since the listing didn't seem to interest people, I didn't want to bother anyone and I removed the whole thing. About AEG, I don't know the real name behind the code.
Done :
1883-1889 : Commandant Jules BOURDON ((B))
1889-1892 : Frédéric LUSSON ((L))
1892-1895 : Jean DELSOL (D)
1896-1897 : Michel ABAULT
1897-1899 : Michel AUBRON
1899-1906 : Victor BONAMY (B)
1906-1911 : Maurice HAUVETTE
1909-1911 : David BLOCH
1911-1914 : Gustave PAYEUR
1914-1917 : Louis JOURDAN (J)
1917-1923 : François BARES (B)
1923-1929 : Louis CLAUDOT
1929-1934 : Charles KARCHER ou HARCHER
1934-1939 : Charles BRION (B)
1939-1941 : Ingénieur Militaire Germain PIC
1941-1942 : Ingénieur Militaire Georges MONTLAUR
1941-1943 : Fernand MAGDALENA
1944-1945 : Ingénieur Militaire Pierre MONTEIL
1945-1950 : Ingénieur Militaire François DELAMAIRE
1950-1953 : Louis CARRE
1953-1956 : Maurice FRANCILLON
1956-1964 : Lucien DERUELLE
1964-1971 : Pierre LEVIEUX
1971 : Albert BONNOTTE
Now Orcmastiff, with a little help from my friends, I have checked some facts about the R35 to complete my answer. As far as I know, Tulle was making the assembly. But who was receiving the barrel if it was not always Tulle? For MF barrels, it was the MAC (and for MAC barrels also, but it is logical) : (J) ( ). Some barrels don't have the least signature of an authority (in 1938-1939 and not always) But who was doing the job for MAP and SACM. If (C) ( ) or (J) ( ), it is MAC. If (B) (D), it is Tulle. If something else, may be a local inspector, just like during WWI.
1883-1889 : Commandant Jules BOURDON ((B))
1889-1892 : Frédéric LUSSON ((L))
1892-1895 : Jean DELSOL (D)
1896-1897 : Michel ABAULT
1897-1899 : Michel AUBRON
1899-1906 : Victor BONAMY (B)
1906-1911 : Maurice HAUVETTE
1909-1911 : David BLOCH
1911-1914 : Gustave PAYEUR
1914-1917 : Louis JOURDAN (J)
1917-1923 : François BARES (B)
1923-1929 : Louis CLAUDOT
1929-1934 : Charles KARCHER ou HARCHER
1934-1939 : Charles BRION (B)
1939-1941 : Ingénieur Militaire Germain PIC
1941-1942 : Ingénieur Militaire Georges MONTLAUR
1941-1943 : Fernand MAGDALENA
1944-1945 : Ingénieur Militaire Pierre MONTEIL
1945-1950 : Ingénieur Militaire François DELAMAIRE
1950-1953 : Louis CARRE
1953-1956 : Maurice FRANCILLON
1956-1964 : Lucien DERUELLE
1964-1971 : Pierre LEVIEUX
1971 : Albert BONNOTTE
Now Orcmastiff, with a little help from my friends, I have checked some facts about the R35 to complete my answer. As far as I know, Tulle was making the assembly. But who was receiving the barrel if it was not always Tulle? For MF barrels, it was the MAC (and for MAC barrels also, but it is logical) : (J) ( ). Some barrels don't have the least signature of an authority (in 1938-1939 and not always) But who was doing the job for MAP and SACM. If (C) ( ) or (J) ( ), it is MAC. If (B) (D), it is Tulle. If something else, may be a local inspector, just like during WWI.
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Alamas:
The only examples remaining have the manufacturer's codes and the "N". Either my notes are incomplete or the fabrication codes stood in the place of more traditional inspection stamps, on some examples. Lacking sequential serial numbers and an acceptance cartouche, this is a tough cypher. According to the listing in the "French Firearm Information" 'sticky', "AEG" was the code for Allegemeine Elecktrizatats Gesellshaft, a post-Great War supplier located in the Alsace-Lorraine region.
Thank you for your response, and it is good to see the "MAT Directors" list reposted.
The only examples remaining have the manufacturer's codes and the "N". Either my notes are incomplete or the fabrication codes stood in the place of more traditional inspection stamps, on some examples. Lacking sequential serial numbers and an acceptance cartouche, this is a tough cypher. According to the listing in the "French Firearm Information" 'sticky', "AEG" was the code for Allegemeine Elecktrizatats Gesellshaft, a post-Great War supplier located in the Alsace-Lorraine region.
Thank you for your response, and it is good to see the "MAT Directors" list reposted.
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