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M33 Rolling Block in 8x58R Sauer
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Topic author: rudybolla
Subject: M33 Rolling Block in 8x58R Sauer
Posted on: 08/15/2004 6:00:31 PM
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I will throw this one out for the forum. I have a Model 33 rolling block that was listed as being 9.3x57, which was good in that basic .38-55 brass could be trimmed and used and I could neck-size with other dies once fire formed. To my dismay, or maybe it will be my good fortune, the chamber cast shows this rifle to be chambered for 8x58R Sauer! Dies, brass bullets easy and relatively cheap, so no problem there. However, this chambering is not listed on Pettson's Husqvarna Singles and Doubles page for this model. Is this a rechambered rifle, or have any of you seen this chambering in a M33? Thanks! Oh, loading data appreciated as well.
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Reply author: Ken
Replied on: 08/15/2004 6:26:07 PM
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The Husqvarna book list 8X58R as one of the available chambers but does not indicate if the Krag or the Sauer round...I suspect its the Sauer since the Krag cartridge may be to powerful for the small 33 action.
Reply author: rudybolla
Replied on: 08/16/2004 07:34:17 AM
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The Sauer is more in keeping with the other listed chamberings. After posting, I found verification in an earlier posting by Pettson.
Reply author: Pettson
Replied on: 08/16/2004 09:12:43 AM
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Hi everyone. Back after vacation and move. Just got an internet connection up again yesterday. Still working on the e-mail and webspace issues.

The #33 can be found chambered for either the 8mm/360 or the 8x58R Sauer. The latter seems to be the more common chambering.
As you have noticed already, it is not listed among the available chambering on my site. I need to update that page a bit, and will, when I move it.

Actually, there are 33's chambered for all kinds of weird cartridges, including many of the Sauers. Obviously there were many more options than those listed in the book. The same goes for the #34 and the Express models.

Where have you found 8mm Sauer cases and dies? Cost?

Pettson

Reply author: sbhva
Replied on: 08/16/2004 2:56:04 PM
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Hellow Rudybolla;

Can I ask where you came across the model 33? Did you find it in the US, or is this from one of the Swedish auctions over the past year or so? I am curious because I am looking for a model 33 and have been outbid on a couple of very nice ones on the Swedish auctions.
Reply author: rudybolla
Replied on: 08/16/2004 7:22:12 PM
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The good folks at Buffalo Arms have 8x58R Sauer dies for $69.10 and brass for $110 per 100 ($41/20 for the Bertram). A top-shelf outfit to do business with. For some of these odd-ball rounds, there are a couple of places that will make both custom dies and brass from chamber casts, so don't be afraid of them!
Reply author: Aaronby
Replied on: 09/02/2004 09:48:01 AM
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Is 8x58R Sauer distinct from 8x58R Danish Krag? I have no experience with either, but I like the looks of the 8mm Krag round, and think it would be quite capable in a good single-shot. Then again, I'm biased toward the severly obsolete.
Reply author: Pettson
Replied on: 09/02/2004 11:42:42 AM
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The Krag round is the more powerful of the two, and (at least here in Sweden) by far the more common. Then there is also the 8x57R/360, a necked down 9,3x57R/360...
The Krag round is indeed quite capable, and was for a long time successfully used on moose. I agree that a nice single shot rifle would be a very good platform for this cartridge, but then I'm also fairly biased towards the severly obsolete...


From the right is the 8mm Sauer, followed by the 8x57R/360, 8x58RD, 8,15x46R and to the left a 9,3x57R/360.

Pettson

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Reply author: Aaronby
Replied on: 09/05/2004 1:49:54 PM
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I have shared the 8x58RD information from this board with other folks, and I think I've got at least one of them hooked. If at your next gun show you see a big Texan walking around with a glazed expression muttering "...gotta get me a rolling block..." and scouring all the tables for Swede rifles, that'll be Lewis.
Reply author: Carcano
Replied on: 09/05/2004 2:44:58 PM
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Reloading data and case forming tips for the 8x58R Sauer are found in the two German reloading handbooks.

Regards,
Reply author: Aaronby
Replied on: 09/06/2004 2:18:58 PM
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What is the precise bullet diameter of the two 8x58Rs? Are they .323, or .318, or some other diameter?
Reply author: Carcano
Replied on: 09/06/2004 3:59:37 PM
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The 8x58R Sauer takes .318" (8,07 mm). But keep in mind that most guns chambered for this caliber are NOT normalized, so you must slug the barrel.

The 8x58R Danish Krag is said to take .323", but I am not sure. Have no Danish sources, but CoW as second or third hand source.

Regards.
Reply author: Pettson
Replied on: 09/17/2004 6:35:47 PM
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Hey Carcano, when you say "the two German reloading books", which would those be?
Agree with Carcano on the bullet diameter issue, You should slug all barrels on these old timers though, for best performance.

Adding here a few pictures, just to stir up Lewis a little bit more.
A model 33 in a period setting, knife, clothes and all...

Pettson

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Reply author: Carcano
Replied on: 09/17/2004 8:04:19 PM
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quote:Originally posted by Pettson

Hey Carcano, when you say "the two German reloading books", which would those be?


The RUAG/DNAG/RWS "Blue Book" (9th ed.) and the DEVA book (4th ed.).

Regards,
Reply author: WARREN FILBERT
Replied on: 07/11/2005 8:59:18 PM
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I just got a Husqvarna 33 in 8X58R Sauer cleaned up and want to shoot it. Does anyone have advice re dies, components, bullet diameter,and loading data?
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