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The M 1884 Jarmann Rifle in 10,15x61 R - one of the latest and most developed blackpowder-only cartridge rifles, together with the Mod. 1887 Turkish Mauser in 9,5x60 R - is one of the more elusive and sought-after pieces for the collector of Scandinavian firearms.

Here are two links that I drew from the Second Board:

An unusually good and informative Wikipedia article on the Jarmann:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jarmann_M1884

A video clip on shooting the Jarmann (4,07 MB, 59 seconds length):
http://www.svartkrutt.net/jarmann1.wmv

Enjoy,
Carcano
 

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PHOTOS: M 1884 Jarmann Rifle (Swedish Variant)

Here is a series of fine photographs. Alas, I cannot insert them directly into the posting.

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RP
Posted - 05/27/2006 : 11:22:29 AM
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Well I think I firgured out the bolt removal, but would still like an accurate discription if the actual procedure.

General Comments:
- All matching (everything including stock)
- Action flawless including cuttoff and feed ramp
- Bore is excellent (sharp/shiny...near mint)
- Metal is 95%+ with butt-plate and bands showing most of the wear
- Wood is birch (I think) and rates fine (a few dings and scratches)
- Not import marked

Here she is... what little I could find on these rifles leaves me with more questions than answers...but a picture is worth a thousand words so here goes...questions first...

* The stock looks like birch to me not walnut. Unless someone can tell otherwise. Read in one source that they were originally produced with walnut. This stock is cleanly marked and matched to the rest of the rifle ("812"). It does not look replaced.

* From what I can tell there are no other visiable markings on exterior of wood. Should there be? Where would I look?

* I've seen one or two photos where the forend of the stock has inletted- style retaining clips for barrel bands. Other photos show it as in my example. What is the difference?

* All photos I have seen DO NOT show what you might call a "site groove" on the top of the bolt handle and extractor as in mine. Channels apparently were blued or darkend (groove on my bolt handle is wearing thin). Any explainations?

* Were there clear differences between Norwegian and Swedish issued variants. Is there a resource out there that covers this rifle?

Thanks all...enjoy the pics...there are so few out there

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And here are the follow-up comments to the previous photo posting:

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USMCsean
Posted - 05/27/2006 : 11:55:45 AM
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Forgive my limited knowledge on the subject, but I'll pass along some of the info that I have by reading Dana Jones' book Crown Jewels.

His book doesn't show any with bolts grooved such as yours. This might be a modification done by civilians as these were sold off to them around 1884. Maybe they did that to provide a better sight picture that suited them. Pure speculation on my part.

Your rifle is one of 1,ooo that were produced. There were originally 500 produced, from 1881-82, that were two banded, where as yours, is the 3 banded version. This might also answer another of your questions. This book describes the two banded version was adopted by the Norwegians, while the Swedes were uncommitted and wanted further tests. Whic led to the model in which you have. Which were the adoption of the three bands and the brass cleaning plate which could be removed to aid in cleaning the action.


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Posted - 05/27/2006 : 1:10:04 PM
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Thanks for the book tip...odering it today...

Probably my bad comparing them to site grooves. It clearly has no advantage as the rear site is positioned high enough. Shouldering the rifle easily demonstates this. I just didn't know what to call them. Additionally, in looking at the pics more closely, if it were done by a civilian it's likely they would not have restamped the serial number below the groove. The serial number on the other variants are right in line with where the goove is on this one. Perhaps they were originally machined that way to prevent sun glare. The bolts were likely gleaming when new. If this is 812 of 1000 then it would be interesting to see what the lower serial number range bolts look like versus later production. Just a thought, but interesting none the less.
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Tom in Pittsburgh
Posted - 05/27/2006 : 5:35:48 PM
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Nice acquisition -- I'm jealous.

The groove is not unusual -- it is the way the Swedish models were made.

There are distinct differences between the Swedish and Norwegian models.

The first 500 Swedish pieces were two-band, as are all of the Norwegian. The last 1,000 Swedish rifles were three-band. Sweden never adopted the Jarmann, but Norway did.

The Norwegian models had band retaining springs.

The sights on the Norwegian ones were different than the Swedes.

Best resource that I know about is unfortunately in Norwegian, but you can still pick through some of the info, and it's loaded with pictures. The book also has extensive info on the Norwegian rolling blocks and Krags.

Norske Militaergevaerer Etter 1867 by Karl Egil Hanevik

ISBN 82-993143-1-3

I don't know of a source for cleaning rods.

I recently posted some Jarmann material on my website (click on "Longarms," then scroll down and click on "M1881 Swedish Jarmann.")

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Survey for Jarmann Owners

Dana Jones, the well,-known author of trhe "Crown Jewels" book, had inquired:

parkerswede
Posted - 05/20/2004 : 11:20:59 PM
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If you own a Jarmann rifle, would you please contact me. I am collecting data. Thanks. Dana.


Landstormen
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Posted - 05/29/2004 : 6:22:49 PM
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Hello Dana!
What exactly are you looking for???


parkerswede
Posted - 05/31/2004 : 12:42:59 AM
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Looking for year of manufacture on receiver, serial number, number of barrel bands (2 or 3), inspector's initials, single-shot, repeater, etc.


Trond
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Posted - 06/08/2004 : 05:35:57 AM
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I have three two band Kongsberg produced Jarmanns - the M1884 - two army and one navy. Are these of interest or is it only the Swedish ones you are interested in?


parkerswede
Posted - 06/08/2004 : 4:33:02 PM
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Information from the Norwegian-produced ones would be of interest to me as well. Thanks.


The Dane
Posted - 07/18/2004 : 07:32:33 AM
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I have a Carl Gustaf (C under crown) from 1883. #1409 with the following proofers: J.P. and JG. Some Bastard cut it down for hunting at some point and it now only holds 5 shots in the mag. Must have been a 3 band originally.
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Posted - 08/29/2006 : 6:16:57 PM
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Sorry for being so very late in my answer (only a couple of years!). My three Norwegian Jarmanns must have been active, so I now have a total of five:



What information are you seeking? Karl Egil Haneviks book "Norske Militærgeværer 1867-1940" covers yearly production numbers with serial numbers, modifications through the production run etc.

Trond
 
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