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I just bought a long Brazilian made M1908 bayonet on Ebay. I know it is Brazilian made because the bayonet is unmarked and the frog stud is marked FI. It has a 385mm blade instead of the normal 300mm blade of the M1908. I note that Carl lists a 385mm blade length on his site.

The ZB made 08/34 bayonet for the ZB made 08/34 short rifle has a 380mm blade. Apparently the Brazilians wanted a longer bayonet to go on the short rifle.

I'm wondering if this long M1908 bayonet could have been intended for the Brazilian 08/34 .30 short rifle. That was a short rifle in .30-06 rebuilt by Brazil using M1908 long rifle receivers. I had a standard 300mm blade M1908 bayonet with my 08/34 .30 short rifle but I suspect this new 385mm blade would be more correct.

Or, maybe the long bayonet is just a Brazilian made replacement for the ZB 08/34 short rifles. It is only 5mm longer than the ZB bayonet.

Does anyone know anything about these bayonets?

I actually bought this bayonet hoping it would fit on my Brazilian FN1922 carbine but the muzzle ring is too small. I'll just keep the standard M1908 bayonet with a slightly enlarged muzzle ring on my carbine.

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I have one of the bayonets with the 385 mm blade. I never really noticed the additional length. The bayonet is not of the same quality and I always assumed it to be a Brazilian manufactured Model 1908/34. Just checked my ZB MR diameter 15.6. The 385 mm blade has MR 15.8 mm.
 

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I have one of the bayonets with the 385 mm blade. I never really noticed the additional length. The bayonet is not of the same quality and I always assumed it to be a Brazilian manufactured Model 1908/34. Just checked my ZB MR diameter 15.6. The 385 mm blade has MR 15.8 mm.
If may be just a Brazilian made replacement for the ZB 08/34 short rifles, but I just finished mounting it on my Itajuba 08/34 .30 short rifle. A Brazilian made bayonet for a Brazilian made (rebuilt/modified) rifle.

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Its exist a probably german? made M1908/34 bayonet, same as brazilian M08/34 production. I believe there should be with M1908/34 modell, not the M1908. Where it was numbered?Any pictures of the piece? thanks.Andy
 

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Andy,

The top bayonet is a M1908 Long. I know the scabbard is Brazilian made; it is marked FI for Fabrica Itajuba. I think the bayonet is Brazilian made; it has no markings. The blade is 386mm long.

The middle bayonet is a ZB M1908/34. The blade is 381mm long.

The bottom bayonet is a German made M1908. The blade is 296mm long.

The other bayonet/scabbard photos are of the M1908 Long.

The top rifle is a Brazilian made Mod. 08/34 .30 short rifle. "MOD. 08/34 .30" is the model designation stamped on the receiver. It is a .30 caliber (7.62X63) rifle built by Brazil using old M1908 (and possibly some old M1908/34) receivers. It is close to the same length as the ZB M1908/34 short rifle.

The bottom rifle is a ZB made Mod. 1908/34 short rifle. "MOD. 1908/34" is the model designation stamped on the receiver. It is a 7X57 rifle. It is close to the same length as the M08/34 .30 short rifle. Both are shorter than the M1908 long rifle.

Approximate barrel length (converted from inches):
M1908 743mm
M08/34 .30 610mm
M1908/34 562mm

The M1908 long rifle came with the M1908 bayonet. Brazil desired that the shorter M1908/34 short rifle come with a longer bayonet, the ZB M1908/34 bayonet.

Brazil made what I am calling the M1908 Long bayonet, more or less a copy of the ZB M1908/34 bayonet. Since the Brazilians desired a longer bayonet for the ZB M1908/34 short rifles, it seems reasonable to think that the Brazilian made M1908 Long bayonet was made to go with the Brazilian made M08/34 .30 short rifle.

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thanks Bill for the explanation, i believe the M1908 long is probably a M1908/34 for the brazilian rifle M1908/34.My czechoslovak bayonet M1908/34 has 385mm lenght so Your is probably a little shortened.
 

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Andy,

I suppose it is possible that my Czechoslovak M1908/34 bayonet had 4mm broken off the tip and was repointed.

As for my M08/34 .30 Brazilian made short rifle, I need to put either a M1908 bayonet or a M1908/34 bayonet with it. Since my Brazilian made M1908/34 (or M1908 Long) bayonet is longer than the M1908 bayonet, I will use the Brazilian made bayonet with the Brazilian made short rifle.

You know, most of the rifle and bayonet reference books are confused about this. They know of the German made M1908 long rifle and the Brazilian made M08/34 .30 short rifle and some know about the M1908 German made short rifle, but the 100,500 Czechoslovak made M1908/34 short rifles are not mentioned.

That gives me an extra M1908 bayonet (that was on the M08/34 .30 short rifle). I suppose after the first of the year I will need to take photos and put all of my extra bayonets on Ebay (again). It seems that I accumulate extra bayonets by finding new ones that are "more correct" for my rifles. All of my rifles have bayonets but a few are "similar to" the correct bayonet rather that the "correct bayonet", one example being my Chinese Hanyang rifle which currently has an unmarked M1985 type bayonet that I really do not think is Chinese.

I just bought a E(lion)24 marked no ring VZ24 bayonet on Ebay to go on my German used VZ24 M block rifle [E(lion)24 made with VZ23 stock]. I do not understand this: The rifle has a replacement E4(lion)38 barrel with German firing proof. I bought an early VZ24 bayonet with muzzle ring for it but I found the muzzle ring was too small to fit the barrel. I tried several VZ24 bayonets and all were too small. So I bought a no ring German modified bayonet for it.

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thanks Bill for the explanation, i believe the M1908 long is probably a M1908/34 for the brazilian rifle M1908/34.My czechoslovak bayonet M1908/34 has 385mm lenght so Your is probably a little shortened.
Andy,

The model numbers are marked on the rifles. The Czechoslovak made one is MOD. 1908/34. The Brazilian made one is MOD. 08/34 .30 so the ".30" is a part of the model designation. Note that the Brazilian is also "08" instead of "1908".

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Various sources have unfortunally bad information about it, the new Vz.24 rifle is probably a rework by germans in 1939, when was used a new barell of parts production from 1938, the unit stamp is of moravian 13.Infantry regiment of Sumperk i believe north area of Moravia.The serials of M range is probably a Vz.23a rifle, the barell ring should be normal attached on a Vz.24 barell? is not shortened or upgraded the barell end?
 

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the barell ring should be normal attached on a Vz.24 barell? is not shortened or upgraded the barell end?
Andy,

No, as best I can tell the barrel is a normal VZ24 barrel, not shortened or altered. It is marked E4(lion)38. It is exactly the same length as my other VZ24 barrels.

I don't understand why but the barrel diameter at the muzzle is just slightly too large for a VZ24 bayonet muzzle ring to fit. I can overcome that with the German modified 'no muzzle ring' bayonet I bought, but that does not explain the barrel size.

Added: I found the problem. It looks like the front sight sleeve was installed with too much force and it caused the sleeve to swell. See the drawing in the photo.

Thanks for the location of the 13th Infantry Regt. I put that in my record book.

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Thanks, look like You found the problem, the muzzle diameter should be little smaller as 15.5mm.this is MRD of barell ring on bayonets.The replacement barell was made in 1938 in slovakian plant of ZB Povazska Bystrica.
 
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