[BRussell]

Not my comments, but from a blog.

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Lon Horiuchi murders then gets endorsement money from HS Precision.Posted on Wednesday, November 26, 2008

"We the People" never forget. This is one company I will not give a dime to unless they admit to misjudgment and fire the idiot who authorized payment to this murderer. What did they do give him a high five for a head shot to unarmed Vicki Weaver? My money will go to Remington, Smith & Wesson, etc.

He also states: I’d like to thank TD and Ry Jones for bringing this to my attention.

Update: David Codrea confirms that this is definitely not a hoax.

This entry posted at the Gun Nuts Blog under “Boycott HS Precision“.

Personally, I forgive but I never forget.

 

[Noble Sniper]

Yeah he is a real american hero, why shooting a breastfeeding mother. Just gave them a call myself Craig

 

[J.Stein]

On 26 November 2008, word spread on the internet that Lon Horiuchi had landed an endorsement for HS Precision. A scan of HS Precision's catalog cover, including Horiuchi's full-page endorsement, may be found at http://www.awrm.org/ubbcgi/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=21;t=003547;p=0.


Yep, this is making the rounds on the Interwebs.

 

[hairball II]

Horiuchi, who comitted perjury on the events of his killing of Vicki, is still ducking an Idaho indictment, no?

 

[Clyde]

Horiuchi, who comitted perjury on the events of his killing of Vicki, is still ducking an Idaho indictment, no?

Don't think so. He was indicted, but it was quashed by a Federal judge (at DoJ request) on qualified immunity and Federal supremacy grounds IIRC. Won't be revived, eitehr, not with B. Hussein in the driver's seat. A rather disgusting use of those doctrines IMO (not a bit humble about it, either).

 

[BRussell]

Horiuchi, who comitted perjury on the events of his killing of Vicki, is still ducking an Idaho indictment, no?

No, some Federal judge in Idaho threw out the indictment (if memory serves me).

 

[hairball II]

Don't think so. He was indicted, but it was quashed by a Federal judge (at DoJ request) on qualified immunity and Federal supremacy grounds IIRC. Won't be revived, eitehr, not with B. Hussein in the driver's seat. A rather disgusting use of those doctrines IMO (not a bit humble about it, either).

IMMUNITY! He had been found to have lied under oath about what he saw throught the crosshairs that day. Thta is basically one of the big marks against the govt case when Randy Weaver was on trial.

No kiding it is a disgusting abuse.

 

[MBY]

Don't think so. He was indicted, but it was quashed by a Federal judge (at DoJ request) on qualified immunity and Federal supremacy grounds IIRC. Won't be revived, eitehr, not with B. Hussein in the driver's seat. A rather disgusting use of those doctrines IMO (not a bit humble about it, either).

Wasnt revived with Bush doing the driving either...

 

[BRussell]

IMMUNITY! He had been found to have lied under oath about what he saw throught the crosshairs that day. Thta is basically one of the big marks against the govt case when Randy Weaver was on trial.

No kiding it is a disgusting abuse.

Careful, some my interpret you as being anti-American, or close to it.

 

[Hambone]

Careful, some my interpret you as being anti-American, or close to it.

 

[Mark Harlin Chaney]

I met and spoke to Randy Weaver at a Dallas Gun Show. He is a nice down to earth person. MHO he really got had by the government, then they went and killed his entire family. I don't know how he handles it, but he definately handles it better than I ever could.

 

[cousinkix1953]

Lon Horiuchi's trigger happy stunt eventually cost the American taxpaying suckers more than $3 million in a wrongful death suit.

Horiuchi's high school teachers were on talk radio in Monterey California right after the Ruby Ridge shootings. They weren't surprised that he pulled the trigger. This guy has gun nut fantasies long before he got involved with the FBI...

 

[hairball II]

I met and spoke to Randy Weaver at a Dallas Gun Show. He is a nice down to earth person. MHO he really got had by the government, then they went and killed his entire family. I don't know how he handles it, but he definately handles it better than I ever could.

From what I have read, and continue to read about the Weavers, Randy has always been a quiet, mellow person. Which is why the whole episode is such a travesty.

Still, if you talk to his daughter, she still has the fire inside that burns with fury. You can't really blame her, she saw her brother and mother murdered by a gruop that then wanted to blame her dad for the whole thing. Never mind the simple fact that the whole episode was a four-alarm foul up by everyone from start to finish.

 

[ruskiegunlover]

This entire thing amazes me. I vote and put to the table that we all permenently boycott HS. They will just abandon him, claim it was all some big mistake, and people will again purchase from them. I say no. To honor those that he has indiscriminantly killed, I say we have HS in bankruptsy before we stop the boycott. They just gave money and prestige to a murderer, a member of the federal government that has murdered American Citizens. So I say to hell with HS. Lets give them the unemployment line.

We need to start a thread here of people who won't buy from them again. Then, after a few days, email it to them. Zumbo was one thing: the man didn't kill innocent people. This time its different. We need to give them a list 15 pages long, from as many sites as possible.

It should be permenent. Thye just honored a federal employee who MURDERED INNOCENT AMERICAN CIVILIANS. KNOWINGLY. THAT IS DESERVING OF THE UNEMPLOYMENT LINE.

 

[Citizen Carrier]

I am perplexed by this.

Clearly, a couple of people in charge of advertising or marketing at HS simply did not know who Horiuchi is beyond the fact he was a marksman for the FBI HRT.

It is entirely conceivable this is the case, as the alternative is just not believeable.

Let's get a man known and despised by thousands upon thousands of gunowners and get his endorsement.

Sometimes a company can be absolutely tone deaf as to it's target demographic. Leatherman Tool with it's endorsement of John Kerry. Zumbo bashing AR15s and those who own them. Jeep Cherokee with that anti-hunter commercial they ran briefly.

But it is difficult to believe anybody at HS Precision would think Horiuchi's endorsement would actually help them sell stuff.

How they conduct themselves in the short future will be instructive.

 

[BRussell]

From what I have read, and continue to read about the Weavers, Randy has always been a quiet, mellow person. Which is why the whole episode is such a travesty.

Still, if you talk to his daughter, she still has the fire inside that burns with fury. You can't really blame her, she saw her brother and mother murdered by a gruop that then wanted to blame her dad for the whole thing. Never mind the simple fact that the whole episode was a four-alarm foul up by everyone from start to finish.

If she was a Democrat she would have run for office and would have been elected.

Look at that bitch who's husband was killed on the L.I. Subway.

 

[AzCetme]

Look at that bitch who's husband was killed on the L.I. Subway.

That would be Carolyn McCarthy. She's basically a one-issue representative - gun control. Routinely, her name comes up as a sponsor or co-sponsor of bills to ban firearms. She tries to push through one every congressional session. She was the one sponsoring H.R. 1022 last year.

 

[Harpers Ferry Arsenal]

OK, let's try to get some perspective. Randy Weaver and his wife were far, far from "innocent civilians". He was a fugitive and she was knowingly aiding and abetting and both of them thought that it was funny to regularly taunt the authorities until the bill came due.

Yes, mistakes were made by the government, some serious, but those two pieces of crap were just as culpable and on the day that Randy Weaver drinks himself to death in some skid row alley, I will celebrate.

He's not a hero, and neither he nor his wife are victims.

That said, Horiuchi's endorsement of something really isn't going to make me run out and buy it.

 

[GhostCat]

OK, let's try to get some perspective. Randy Weaver and his wife were far, far from "innocent civilians". He was a fugitive and she was knowingly aiding and abetting and both of them thought that it was funny to regularly taunt the authorities until the bill came due.

Yes, mistakes were made by the government, some serious, but those two pieces of crap were just as culpable and on the day that Randy Weaver drinks himself to death in some skid row alley, I will celebrate.

He's not a hero, and neither he nor his wife are victims.

That said, Horiuchi's endorsement of something really isn't going to make me run out and buy it.

HarperValleyATFagent......you really are a Piece of Sheit aren't you??......Seriously, just admit you agree with the Gestapo and get it over with......I'll celebrate the Day the ATF confiscates your Arsenal and shoots the ones you Love.....Oh what a Great day it'll be!!!!......

 

[Citizen Carrier]

I think HFA is out of line with that stuff too.

Weaver was approached and asked to become an informant on the Aryan Nation. Not being a member, he refused.

So a hokey sawed off shotgun charge was cooked up so it could be used to BLACKMAIL him into becoming a government informant. Even then, it was one undercover guy's word against Weaver's and the agents had already discarded any semblence to Dudley Do-Right.

Is anybody else comfortable with public servents behaving like Al Capone's organization?

The. Man. Said. No. I'd like to think Americans can still do that.

But when you've got the power to manufacture BS charges and manipulate the courts, I guess you don't have to take no for an answer.

Still, he said no again.

So a court summons with the wrong date for appearance were served. Not suprisingly, Weaver didn't show up on the date expected.

Is this the standard of behavior we expect from our public servents?

Nobody who was shot or killed there deserved it by any stretch of the imagination. Mistakes were made by both sides? If one side had said, "Okay, he said no, we'll just find another informant" there'd be people still alive today.

And saying his wife wasn't an innocent victim because she was aiding and abetting a fugitive is hogwash. Wives are not even expected to testify against their husbands in court. Our society expects wives to stand by their men. Especially when they are be railroaded by people who forgot they work for US.

Horiuchi should be in jail. Any soldier in Baghdad found to have KNOWINGLY, not accidentally, shot a noncombatant woman carrying a child when she was obviously unarmed and running AWAY would rightly be brought up on charges and spend a very good chunk of his life in federal prison.

Instead, Horiuchi's endorsing HS products.

Like I said, HFA, I think you're out of line.

If stuff like Ruby Ridge was a monthly occurence in America, how many of us would doubt we were living in a police state? Thankfully, we do not live in a police state. But if we water abuses like this down with "they weren't victims and mistakes were made on both sides", we certainly aren't making it HARDER for a police state to exist...