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Hey guys, I'm looking to setup just a quick list and some drawings covering the myriad of Turkish bolt action rifles. Would anyone give me a hand thinking up a complete list?

EDIT: Here is the updated image album. I'll keep dropping everything there. Below are the planned rifles. Unlinked means incomplete.

M1887
Length: 49.3"
9.5x60mmR
Mauser 71 derivative

M1887 Carbine
Length: ?????!
9.5x60mmR
Short 1887

M1890
Length: 48.7"
7.65×53mm
Mauser 1889 derivative

M1893
Length: 48.6"
7.65×53mm
Mauser 1891 derivative, magazine cut-off

M1903
Length: 49"
7.65×53mm
Mauser 98 derivative

M1908
Length: 41.1"
7.65×53mm

M1874/12
Length: 45"
7.65×53mm

M1887 in 7.65mm
Length: ???
7.65x53mm
Some examples found, little to no information on them.

Gew. 1888/05
Length: 49"
7.92x57mm
German support

Gew. 1898
Length: 49.3"
7.92x57mm
German support

Kar. 98a
Length: 37.2"
7.92x57mm
German support

Mosin-Nagant M1891
Length: 51.5"
7.62x54mmR
Captured, unmodified Mosins

vz.98/22
Length: 49.5"
7.92x57mm
Czech-made long rifle

Rifle M1890/29
Length: 49"
7.92x57mm
The 1890 converted to 8mm, handguard added

Rifle 1903/30
Length: 49"
7.92x57mm
The M1903, M1905, and M1908 converted to 8mm long rifle

Rifle 1907/30
Length: 49"
7.92x57mm
Built in the same pattern and run as the M1903/30, these rifles were created from former Paraguayan contract Mausers. Previously these had been fitted with telltale, screwed on clip guides. These Mausers likely served Turkey before the conversion process in their original 7.65 but we do not have conclusive enough evidence to introduce the prior model yet.

Rifle 1893/33

Length: 49"
7.92x57mm
Turkish 1893 converted to 8mm, 1903 standard. Several variants of plugged cut-off, milled off cut-off, straight or pistol stocks.

M88/05/35
Length: 49"
7.92x57mm
Gew.88/05's converted to Turkish standard in 8mm

Enfauser
Length: Appears to be 49" based on scaling with SMLE
7.92x57mm
Converted SMLE and CLLE rifles.

Short Rifle M1903/37
Length: 44"
7.92x57mm
Former M1903/30's would be notched.

Short Rifle M1898/37
Length: 44"
7.92x57mm
Former Gew.98's not notched

Short Rifle Kar98a/37

Length: 44"
7.92x57mm
Former Kar98a's smaller receiver diameter


Gew.98/37 Long Rifle
Length: 49"
Same as the M1903/37 program but from 98 Mauser receivers (like the 1903/37 SR)

Kirkkale Long Rifle.
Length: 49"
7.92x57mm
Domestic production, marked "k.kale" is a way to tell from 1903/30

Kirkkale Short Rifle
Length: 44"
7.92x57mm
3 variations in slings: side, under, both.
domestically produced receivers, marked "k.kale" is a way to tell from 1903/37


Berthier Forestry Carbine M48
Length: 41.6"
7.92x57mm
Shortened French Berthier, using m1905 and 1908 parts.

ATF 1954
Length: 49"
7.92x57mm
Long rifle, rebuilt from Mauser 98 actions.




On Hold due to lack of images:

Substitute M1903
Produced by Mauser from Paraguayan model with added charger guide
On hold as only photo of original 1907 with clip guide still has Paraguayan crest. These may only have shown up as part of the 30's conversions; maybe sooner. Unsure.


Carbine M98/18 (help!)
Length: ?????!
7.92x57mm
No images handy, disputed one-off



Kar. 98k (help!)
Length: 43.7"
7.92x57mm
Underslung Kar98k
No images found. Would need example to continue.


Short Rifle M1898/37 with German Bayonet Lug
Length: 44"
7.92x57mm
Same as M1903/37 but with German-style bayonet lug for engineers
No images found. Would need example to continue.
 

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The converted Enfields were called Enfausers, a mashup of the names Enfield and Mauser, which was actually a pretty good description of the rifles, as well.
 

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The Turks also ended up with over ten thousand French Berthier M1907/15 and M1916 rifles during the early 1940s. It's not clear exactly how they wound up with all the Berthiers, but the prevailing theories are that the Turks captured them from illicit shipments of arms and ammo in transit from the German-controlled Vichy French government to anti-British rebel groups in Iraq, or they captured them from Vichy French troops from Syria who retreated into internment in Turkey after the British invasion of Syria in 1941. Either explanation is plausible, and the true source may be a combination of both.

The Turks later converted many of the Berthiers into M1948 Forestry Service Carbines, by cutting down the Berthier rifles and adding some parts from M1905 Mauser carbines.

 

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That is fairly handy, thank you.

Rogue, I found an original Model 1905 but its stock was cut :( I have to find something to substitute and I may need to borrow from a Forestry Carbine to do it.
 

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Forestry Carbine won't fit, as it is made for a Berthier Mechanism and Barrel. Best to get a "M1903/30 Stock which has been "Lightly Bubhba'ed" ( there is still enough Wood to make a 1905/08 Carbine/Musketoon stock. Forget about the "donut" in the /30 stock...this was also adopted in the 1920s in some 7,65 Musketoons; If you have to make a Cavalry 1905, then the Do-nut can go, to allow for the Sling Slot a-la-Kar98a....and you will need a normal rear swivel and normal Band for a Musketoon, and a Band with side swivel for a Carbine (most M95 Carbine Bands are smooth..the M1905 has a grooved Band, as does the 1903). And then the Muzzle Cap...a Spanish M95 cap is the most findable...use the screw hole in the Front for the Rod ( open out) in the Musketoon, and close it up (Weld and regrind ) for the Carbine.

Not a difficult Job...if you can't find correct stock wood to do the "transplant", then you will have to find some Walnut ( an original Bubba'ed 1903 stock, and "Carve" a Fore-end extensions out of It. ( again, you may get away sacrificing a Spanish M95 Carbine stock... the front part is already Machined for the Muzzle Cap, and all you have to do is allow for the M1905's 21 inch Barrel (the Spanish is 18 inches). Joining the two pieces can be done "Duffel Style , with a Butterfly Insert, or "Finnish style" if you have a Good Table Router/shaper, and the correct Cutter ( REfer "Woodsmith", US woodworking Journal).

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Discussion Starter · #7 ·
Thanks Doc, I meant more for stealing the cap and band.

So the updated list I have so far (now including all bolt actions)

Mausers:
1887
1887 carbine
1890
1893
1898 (German donations)
Kar 98az (German donations)
1903
Substitute 1903 (screwed on guide)
1905 (two variants, 1907?)
Czech 98/22
1938 (from other rifles)
1938 (domestic production)
90/"38"
93/"38"
Is the 1954 just a Model 38 made later?

Other rifles
Gew 1888
Gew 88/"33"
Enfauser
Berthier M48 Forestry


Am I missing anything? Also I see stuff written here and there about a long Model 38?
 

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Just a few Corrections:
Carbines and Musketoons (short rifles) M1905 and M1908

1920s "Musketoon M88/05"
"Musketoon" M1903

1930s: the description "M38" actually refers to all Mauser rifles in Turkish service in 7,9mm calibre. For collectors, the following are a truer indication:

M1890/29
M1903/30
M1893/33
M88/05/35
M1903/37 Short Rifle (Musketoon)
M1898/37 Short Rifle
M1898a/37 Short rifle
Kirikkale Mauser, Adopted 1938, first prototyped 1939, general Production commenced 1940 to 1946..."M938 Tufecki Turkei"
K'Kale Mauser Short Rifle, Made 1944-46.
ATF 1954 ( M98/54) Final in long line of refurbs.

Also Kar98k refashioned to Turkish Musketoon specs (underneath slings) after WW II.

Others: Enfauser ( SMLE III and CLLE I converted to "Mauser Barrel and Mag" and front half of M1903 stock...1936, maybe 1937 as well.)

Orman Carbine: 8mm Berthier M1907/15 converted to Carbines using parts from M1905/08 Carbines which had be "mustered out" and converted to either M1903/37 Short Rifles or M1903/30 Long Rifles.

There are rumours (films) of a Mannlicher M95 rebuilt to Turkish 7,9 with "Mauser" type Bayo lugs and bands. Austria-Hungary did have a substantial presence in the Turkish campaigns ( Artillery, Medical, Signals, etc Units) so a Mannlicher conversion is also on the cards.

The 1920s also produced other "Conversions" as well, probably in very small numbers, as ASFA (the unified Ordnance Organisation set up in 1922) was getting on its feet. These will mjostly be in 7,65, although some in 7,9 may have appeared as well.

One Carbine I have not mentioned, is the Mauser Oberndorf M98/18, with an 18,5 Barrel...built from damaged Gew98s...one example is in the Imperial War Museum in London...otherwise they may have all disappeared in the 1930s rebuilds of Gew98s.

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Discussion Starter · #9 · (Edited)
Doc, you're being a huge help. Do you know of any books on this topic btw?

Since I'm just aiming for a "quick and dirty" guide to introduce all the models in one place, I'll be doing right side line drawings to scale. So I just need reference images to make sure I have everything right.
 

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Thanks! That helps. I linked it up but I don't think you can pull the live auction from that so hopefully we're not breaking any rules? Let me know and I will gladly change it.
 

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Othais,
Getting backl to your List:
1. The Term "M1938" should NOT be used for Any individual type of Turkish Rifle, but as a Generic Term for ALL Mauser-derived Rifles in 7,9 cal. ( as seen in the Turkish Rifle Manual, 1942).

SO what you have listed as "M1938" should be the "Kirikkale Long Rifle" ( 1940-46) and the "Kirikkale Short Rifle"( 1944-46).I have said "short rifle" as there were a few Variations>>> a "Carbine" , with slotted Butt, a Musketoon (with underneath swivels) and a UNiversal SR, with both slot and underneath swivels.

2. The ATF (M98/54) rifle was only made in "Long Rifle" Configuration, and only from Gew98 type receivers...I have not seen an ATF made from a Kar98k or a Czech Vz98/22 Receiver, but that is Possible...Bolts (straightened) from (German) Kar98ks have appeared in both K'kales and ATF 54s.

3. In WW I, the Gew88/05 were the only Commission rifles supplied by Germany ( Stripper fed, with magazine modifications and slot cut in Receiver ring.). IN the 1920s they did make some "Musketoons" wioth either bent bolts or straight Bolts...
NO M88/05/35 Short rifles have been seen at all (Complete rebuild)

4. Short Rifles/"Musketoons" whatever Origin, were all to the same Pattern, and took features from the Long 1903 (Bayt.Fixtures, etc) and Cut-down M1903 Stocks, but adopted the protected Front sight of the Kar98a...

BUT./..there is always a "BUT"....There is only one deviation from this design, that of a Gew98/37 Musketoon, with the Gew98 "H" Band and the Long Bayonet bar of the Gew98, for the Stg 84/98 and Stg98/05 German Bayonets...I don't know which corps of the Turkish Army these were made for, probably Engineers??? Engineers would have had the sawback 98/05..These Look a bit like the "Standard Modell" or the FN M1930.

All the other "/37 SRs" had the older M90/93/03 type Bayonet and Fittings ( as converted in 1930 --no Hooked Quillon, Riveted grips, scrubbed of all Ottoman Markings, "As.Fa." on Pommel, and serial on cross bar.)

5. Kirikkale Turks are all "Domestic" Newly-made, NOT Conversions ( Large outer ring receiver, small inner threaded barrel shank, extended receiver lip to hold top handguard. Receiver to Gew98 Bolt specs.

So it is Possible, to see Armourer after-issue replacement using various Components, such as Gew98 Bolts, Vz98/22 bolts, Kar98k Bolts, TGs and mag parts etc, and Bands and Bayo Bands and Buttplates from any model of the 1930s rebuilds.

Even the Barrels ( with the same .980" thread,) were interchangeable, with a bit of fitting./ (Not of course, with the original GEW 1,010" thread).../but front and rear sights were also interchangeable.

6. There are the Russian /Soviet Mosin Nagant rifles, captured in 1915-16, and also German Donations (1917) and Lenin's Border Accomodation (1922-23)...Many of these were "re-struck" with Turkish script sight marks, and a Calibre Marking on the receiver "7,6"..to denote the other common designation of the Russian Cartridge, 7,60 mm...( why I don't know). ( "7,60" is used in an old edition of the British "Treatise on Small Arms" ( 1909 ed, IIRC)

Possibly in this mix there are also German VenusWerke 7,9mm conversions of Nagants, done in 1916...but this is uncertain ...it is known that many VenusWerke 7,9mm Mosins went to China in the late 1920s and were involved in a number of unsavoury "deals" with Warlords resulting in slit throats, beheadings, bodies in the river, of traffickers, and generally dissatisfied Chinese Generals.

The Turks eventually sold or traded the Mosins with Finland...several rebuilt Finnish Mosins have "Turked" Rear sight frames.

NO known Turkish Designation for the Mosins??? Proof of use is a Photo of a Turkish Soldier in Palestine with a Mosin, bayonet and ?Russian? ammo Pouches. And I have a Turked Mosin which slipped into a shipment of Turk Mausers into Aust.

7. Enfausers...Made from Charger Loading Lee Enfields (CLLE) and SMLE Mk.III captured at Gallipoli, Mesopotamia ( siege of Kut)...these were all done in 1936 and maybe 1937. The original Unit markings on the top tang of the buttplate remain visible and some times on the Butt-Discs as well. ( original Butt retained) but the fore-wood was new made in the " 1903 Mauser" style.

This Points to most of the rifles having been captured from British troops ( Cape Helles) and British-Indian Troops (Kut), which had a preponderance of CLLEs. Some of the SMLE Enfausers could possibly be Aussie/NZ origin capture, but these would have been mostly British-Made at this early stage of the war ( Most of Australia's 1913-1914 Lithgow production of SMLE III rifles went direct to Britain for the Western Front...the Aussies used British-made rifles and their older ALH SMLE Mk I rifles, in the Dardanelles Campaign.

Sorry for the long drawn out History, but Rifle classification leads directly to "How they got there" and that is History.

Doc AV

BTW, #8. the "Mauser Gew98/18 " is to be found at the Imperial War Museum London ( One Known example)...basically a Gew98 with a Barrel shortened to 18 inches or so, made from Damaged rifles from the Western front. Rear sight deeply notched for sighting, front sight also lowered I think. Real "Last ditch Blaster."
 

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As of 1896 Turkish inventory lists 500,000 Peabody-Martini, 150,000 Sniders, 50,000 Remington RB and 50,000 Winchester model 1866. I bet most of these guns were kept way into the 20th century.
 

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Many serviceable Peabody-Martinis were re-built in 1912 ( with Steyr Made Barrels, sights, etc) in to 7,65mm Single shots. Some of the work was done at Steyr, the majority done at the Rifle Factory, Istanbul.

During WW I these were used in Frontier outposts and by P.O.W. Guards, etc.

Turkish Sniders...still in use in Yemen and other Frontier Provinces of the Ottoman Empire in 1914...usually by Police and Tax Officials.

Some Winchesters (Both 66 and 73) in .44RF Turkish were sold along the Red Sea coast by Merchants, and the Italian Eritrean Colonial Force ( Italian officers and Native Askaris) had Winchester 73s of Turkish origin for use by Italian Officers and NCOs...the Askari had Vetterli and Vetterli-Vitali Rifles and Carbines. Officer Winchesters were mostly "private Purchase" locally, with US-made .44RF ammo widely available from both fresh US and Turkish (old stock) sources.

M87 9,5 Turk BP Mausers were used well into the 1930s, as SMI (Italy) made ammo for them (For Turkey?, or for the Italian Colony of "Libia"? which also had large numbers of M87 Turks left after the Italo-Turkish war of 1911-12.)

AS to the Remington RBs ( assumed to be either .45 Peabody, or .45 Egyptian Cartridge (Not interchangeable??), I have no info, except that they were acquired by Turkey some time after the semi-independent Egypt acquired theirs from Remington, and eventually, because of slow and lapsed Payments, by Turkey for the Peabody Martini,sent Providence Tool into Liquidation.

Probably a Lot of these "Early Guns" either were scrapped, or more probably, sent to aid their "Muslim brothers" in Afghanistan during the 1920s ( to prevent Western ingerence on Afghan affairs...)

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All right, I keep editing the original list to keep up so double check.

Problem spots:
I still have no image references for a 90/29
How long is an Enfauser?
Would IWM snap a quick photo of the 98/18? Does anyone have a friend there?
Do we know what Finnish Mosin models have turned up?
Just Mosin 1891's or M91/30's as well from Russia?

What is up with this 88/05 updated short rifle? http://www.empirearms.com/2081-1.jpg
Does anyone know how long it is?

The 1903-action carbines, are the models 1905 and 1908 correct for collectors? Did they have the same or different slings?

I'm determined to at least come up with some plain drawings and as complete a list as possible of Turkish rifles. This field needs a clear introduction as it's very deep and interesting.

Lastly, Doc, how do you know all of this? I'm bone dry for Turkish rifle resources and books. If this is all your own survey work we gotta get you to write it down!
 

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1. The M1890/29 appears in one or possibly two notifications in my Parallax C&R Turkish Serial Survey...no photos.

2.Enfauser is the ABOUT the same over-all length as a M1903/30 ( I think, given it has a M1903/30 style Barrel, suitably threaded 14 TPI for the Enfield Thread.

3.The IWM should have a Study and Photo Service.

4. I have several Finnish M1891/24 types with "Turked" Rear sight frames, and they have been mentioned and Photos on the MN Board on GB.

5. Only Mosin M1891--- Captured, Armenian Front, 1915; Donations, Germany, 1916-17, from captures at Tannenberg etc; Negotiations on finalising Turko-Armenian-SSR Border in aftermath of Russian Civil War ( 1922-23). Discussions between Ataturk and V.I.Lenin...result, besides other trade materials, several tens of thousands MN91s were delivered, along with ammunition ( a lot US and British WW I-Made) before Lenin Died.....NO 91/30s ever delivered...too far on in 1930s.

BY the 1930s, Turkey had settled on 7,9mm as their standard calibre, and so the MNs were traded off to Finland, who were still chasing all over Europe for Mosins in any condition. ( to supply Receivers.). Turkey also supplied Afghanistan's King with MNs in the 1920s and 30s ( Photo of National Geographic, 1937, of Royal Afghan troops with MN 91s...)...part of the Kemal Policy of assisting and trading with small Arab/Muslim Countries and new "republics" in Europe.

6. "Shorty M88/05/35???" Could be legit, ( never say Never with Turks) but could also be a Local (US)l Faker, known to make all sorts of Carbines and Short rifles out of Turks (Long)...,very good work as well, but still "fake"... Don't know Barrel lengths, but a Musketoon could be between 21 and 24 inches.

Serial Number and ASFA/Date Markings will establish whether it is the Real McCoy, or an After-market Bubba... and there still might be some doubt without a Forensic Examination of the Metal and Stock wood.

AS to collating all the info, If I can get Good, detailed Photos (Both my own and others), and finally get the Serial Survey tidied up (it's been going for over 10 years) and I can find the time (I have a business in Obsolete Cartridge Cases, and also a Movie Gun Hire set up, as well as Books on "Cartridges for Milsurps" and "Blank Cartridges for Film-Guns" both in progress....I don't know If I have a second Life-time...


7. AS to How I did it....varied collection (as far as Possible here in Australia) not all the Turks came here, like the USA; Reading ( Early Publications, Histories with photos of WW I,( Aussie, British and Turkish), WEB exploration of various Gun related boards, My Serial Survey on Parallax Curio and Relic, Other collectors' observations (JPS, JW, all the other "J" et al...)...Even the widely erroneous common Gun Books....).

8. As to the Model 1905 and 1908 Carbines/Musketoons, I would refer you to JPS for details...to me, the 1905 is the purely "Carbine" version, with slotted butt; the M1908 (Musketoon) had no slot, and an underneath sling arrangement and screw in cleaning rod ( with screw driver slot in head.).
MY 1908 Engineers Musketoon ( Picked up at Jacobs Post, 9th August 1915, after a pitched battle between Australian 7th. Battalion troops and Turkish Infantry and Engineers, who had been (for several days) extending the Turkish/Aussie Trench lines for better command of the Battlefield...in places the Trenches actually ran into each other ( Blocked off by walls of Sandbags, dirt-filled ammo Boxes, etc.). MY Example has a STRAIGHT Handled Bolt ( Turkish script marks) non-matching, but a Straight handled Bolt would have been correct for an Engineer's Musketoon...in any case, Turkish armourers in WW I regularly swapped Bolts over...so if this is actually a "Long rifle" Bolt, or a true "Musketoon Bolt" we will never know...its original owner probably had his skull stoved in by his own musketoon --- stock broken at wrist, Re-glued with Casein Glue, some time after the Battle....probably the original "Duffle Cut"!!! or that should be "Kit-bag Cut" ( Aussie souvenir). Details of Capture engraved on Magazine floor plate ( ?Dentist's Foot-pedal Drill?).

9. Slings on Carbines/Musketoons...The ones for the slotted butts would be similar to the German and export Slings for such models; the Musketoon slings would be similar to the Rifle sling (Brass Buckle, collar-Stud.); the lengthy may have been shorter (???)...My Musketoon came with a Period Webbing P.08 Sling...Turkish pickup or Aussie replacement?....The Gallipoli battlefields were still littered with Bones and equipment well into the 1920s....

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Rifles of the White Death is all line drawings so don't get hung up on photos when they are this hard to come by. The info is still solid.

I'll start drawing out what we have unless you see something wrong.

edit: Moved the updated list to the first post, started adding the drawings as I produce them.
 

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Standing questions:

1. Does the 1905 JUST have side slings? (basically, how many variations are there in this and the 1908)

2. Attempting to find 98/18 image

3. Were 1903/30's exclusively built from 1903's or do they include other rifles?

4. Why do some 1893/33's have additional metal lips for the handguard, some don't?

5. Where should we categorize the 1898a restocks?

6. Still need a Kar98K picture.

7. Are there any 91/24 pictures?

8. Does the substitute 1903 exist or is it just part of the 1903/30 process?

The long and short rifle 98 patterns, starting in 1937, would all be near identical in profile, so would the following be true of sorting them out?

Refurbished Mauser 98's, (say the 98/37 model) would have Ankara markings and no notch in the receiver.

Turkish produced receivers would be marked K.Kale or ATF 1954.
 

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1.From researching the M1905/08 Photos, and observing closely a 1917 (Captured) Photo of Turkish Cavalry with Cav Carbines slung (Photo taken from above and behind troop of cav. in Palestine) the 1905 Cav Carbine was a Typical "Germanic" Cav Carbine ( slot in butt, side sling loop on band, Muzzle cap., NO bayonet bar.).
My own "M1908" Musketoon, has only underneath Loops (NO slot or side loop) and with screw-in Cleaning rod. JPS is the final arbiter here, as he has examples of all Carbine odels in the 1905/08 series.

3. M1903/30s were built from M1903 Long rifles, M1905 and M1908 Carbs and Musketoons by salvaging the Receivers, and from Paraguayan M1907 ( Pseudo M1903) sent by Mauser after adding an extra clip guide Plate on the receiver ( 1915-16.)...Beware, some of the M1903/30s have been "Humped" into "Carbines" ( 18 " Brls) and "Short Rifles" ( 22 inch Brls) with normal 1903 furniture ( all 7,9mm)...shown recently on GB.

4. M1893/33 with new extra lip on Receiver end...probably because it gave a better grip of the handguard ( unsprung), or because the original ring was damaged, missing, or corroded.

5. Kar98a "restocks" ( and maybe rebarrels as well)...from all examples listed in Survey, they are 1937 dated refurbs, so "M1898a/37" would be correct.

8. The "Pseudo 1903" ( Paraguayan M1907 with clip guide added) are Mixed into the normal M1903/30 Refurb.Serialization...NO different classification in the 1930s...The added ( screwed and brazed extra Clip guide) is the distinguishing
feature...simply list them as "Pseudo M1903/30"...as a more detailed "Paraguay M1907-Psuedo M1903/30" would be too long winded....

9. 1937 and early 1938 Short Rifles:
V.1: M1903 Origin...Cut in receiver, Intermediate Bolt with Long Cocking Piece.
V.2: Gew98 origin: NO cut in receiver, Normal (Standard) M98 Bolt.
V.3: Kar98a origin: NO cut in receiver, Turned down "Kar" Bolt...but a Turkish Mismatch may occur with a straight G98 Bolt or a Vz98/22 Bolt. Tapered Kar98a Barrel may be replaced with stepped M1903 profile Barrel...0,980" thread.
V.4: Gew98 Origin, No cut in receiver "H" Band and Long G98 Bayonet bar...for use with StG84/98 and StG98/05 Bayonets ( so called "Butcher Blade"...actually a Pioneer's Bayo.) May be called "Engineers M98/37"

Versions 1-3 have normal M1903 Furniture, and V.4 has the "H" Band etc.

The Long rifle Refurbs of Gew98s have the same wood and furniture of the M1903/30s. Only difference is the Receiver Mortice (inletting).

10. Turkish Produced Kirikkale Rifles are marked "AS FA Ankara K'Kale Date." and TC with Crescent Moon. All rebuilds before 1950 are simply marked "ASFA Ankara Date" with TC crescent moon somewhere as well.
Size of the stamping will determine where the rebuild was done ( Unknown)...ie, the Enfausers and M88/05/35 were marked in smaller font than the M1903/30, the M1893/33 or the M98/37 types...

11. ATF 54 rifles are Refurbs of Gew98s, ( Mark "Th98" on side wall) They are NOT "New Turk Built" Receivers.

12. ATF "Askeri Tufecki Fabrika" is a Post 1950 marking found on Stocks, some parts, and the 1954 Receivers refurbs...the ASFA had been "modified" into MKE-K in the early 50s, and did not repair rifles any more...this was done by "the Military Rifle Factory," which did all the repairs etc...under the control of MKE-K ( a Technical/Financial accommodation, with the corporatization of Turkey's Ordnance Industries.).

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