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I can't seem to find a definitive thread about using lead bullets for reloads. I procured some old bullets from an old guy I got his mosin from. He had some arisaka's and enfields also and said he used them to reload.

Safe to use for future loads or melt and recast?
 

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I can't seem to find a definitive thread about using lead bullets for reloads. I procured some old bullets from an old guy I got his mosin from. He had some arisaka and enfields also and said he used them to reload.

Safe to use for future loads or melt and recast?
Shooting cast bullets in our milsurp rifles is one of our favorite things to do. You have to match the "correct" size bullet to the "correct" size bore to get good results. There are a few "rules of thumb" to fallow too. Specific published load data is almost non-existent except for some general guidelines.
Measuring the bullets you have should be easy enough. Knowing their hardness would be nice but if you have enough to experiment with you can find their limits without leading up your barrel too much. Or you could simply load them sub-sonic.
The key is knowing your bore size. That means bore diameter and groove diameter. There are many other details that may or may not effect how good a particular bullet/barrel will work.
I have basically 2 loads that I use. One is sub-sonic and the other is 1850 fps. I use the same bullet but I cast the super-sonic bullet harder and install a gas check.
If you are interested in continuing, post some details like the diameter of the bullets you have and what calibers you would like to load. Photos are always helpful.
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Oh and don't forget the fun of using lead buckshot and a powder puff load for plinking
push lead above a certain pressure level or speed (~1500 fps) you run into problems melting the tail, which is more leading in the bore, loss of accuracy etc.
Castboolis (? website for caster and reloaders) has a good section on it.
 

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Published load date for cast bullets in 7.62x54 is sparse but not non-existent, Both Lyman and Accurate used to have published load data for several powders and bullet weights, whether or not these are listed in their current manuals I can't say for certain, but a little booklet I have called "The complete reloading manual for the 7.62x54 Russian" by Loadbooks USA has about a dozen loads from both Accurate & Lyman using various powders and bullet weights. Frankly, I would be surprised if Lyman's most recent cast bullet handbook didn't have some 7.62x54 loads, but I don't own it, so I can't say for sure. The cast Boolit site is probably a good place to run down some loads.
 

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I measured a few bullets and the average 312-313. I know these will probably better for worn Mosins.

As far as leading the barrel that was an issue I as kind of worried about. Looking around I got the general guideline was about 1600 fps. Would that be considered subsonic in the loosest term?

When I get into loading in the near future It will be for 7.7 Jap, British 303, and mosin 54r. I'm still into milsurp ammo right now since it's still relatively cheap for me and for some reason when I buy a mosin locally, the seller usually gives me their left overs. :)

Thanks again and I'll have to check out castboolit forums.
 

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Assuming that your bore diameter isn't over .312, and they have a gas check, you can push them really hard without leading. I push 22 cal bullets out of my ar-15 around 2300 FPS with no leading. The easiest thing to do with them for loading right now, is to use one of the two "universal" 30 caliber loads. 13.0 red dot and 16.0 2400. This will work well for most cartridges between 28-35 caliber. 16.0 2400 is one of my favorite loads. If you post a picture of the bullets I may be able to tell you the most likely make and model of the mold they fell out of.
 

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Loadbooks USA has a lead bullet section.
 

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I measured a few bullets and the average 312-313. I know these will probably better for worn Mosins.

As far as leading the barrel that was an issue I as kind of worried about. Looking around I got the general guideline was about 1600 fps. Would that be considered subsonic in the loosest term?

When I get into loading in the near future It will be for 7.7 Jap, British 303, and mosin 54r. I'm still into milsurp ammo right now since it's still relatively cheap for me and for some reason when I buy a mosin locally, the seller usually gives me their left overs. :)

Thanks again and I'll have to check out cast boolits forums.
I load the 16gr 2400 that Dan posted with a 160gr. Lee. That load shoots 1500 fps from one of my M39s. My sub-sonic load shoots 1075 fps. The speed of sound is roughly 1180fps it depends on atmospheric conditions. If you stay at or just under 1100 fps your load should stay sub-sonic. I personally have had no luck over 1900 fps with my 54R's but I'm sure it can be done.
Oh. I shoot all my 54R's (91-30) and M39s with .313+ diameter bullets. One of my M39s slugged at .3115" the other around .3110" both LOVE the .313+ bullets, sub and supersonic as does the .313" Russian 91-30.
BTW: I size the same bullets down to .311" and load them for the 30-30 Win. Yes that's right .311 for a .308" barrel. No leading and great accuracy.
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you didnt say whether the bullets are made for gas checks or how hard they are.if they are made to accept a gas check and are not too soft, it is a no brainer to install gas checks on them.
I just went to the range yesterday and had a ball shooting my M39 and my Ishie 2A with my cast loads.I hardly ever shoot jacketed anymore..there's just no reason.
Plenty of cast load data out there, but it is hard to go wrong with 4895 or BL(C) 2.
All other comments spot on...
 

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Go to this site for all you need to know about cast bullet loading http://castboolits.gunloads.com/

My universal loads for 303, 7.7 and 7.62x54 with gas check cast bullets are 16-2400, 13-Red dot, and 10-Unique and also 13-Trait Boss. You can't go wrong with any of these loads as they work well in any of these calibers. Cast bullets can be several thousand over size and they will work well, Ray
 

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Richard Lee's Modern Reloading second Edition, gives the following information for cast loads;

125gn lead bullet - start load 25gns 5744-2062fps, Never exceed load, 30gns 5744-2354fps

180gn cast bullet - start load 25.2gns 5744-1873fps, Never exceed load, 28gns 5744-2129fps.

(Gas checked bullets)

I strongly suggest that you slug the bore before deciding what diameter to use.

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Yes it's simple to gas check a bullet of you have a sizer and gas checks .Lee makes a .314 sizer for 15 bucks give or take or if you want you can shoot them without the check at reduced speeds (below 1200 fps) 5-7 grs of fast pistol powder like bullseye,red dot w231 all work well for that application.
 

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I have been using 185gn cast LEE with gas check and lubed and power them with 13gns Red Dot......awesome load and devastating on bunnies.....
A lot of talent here commenting on what works, take it to the bank.

I have Saeco (Thanks Swabby for selling it to me), Lyman sizer bullet lubricators plus the Lee sizing dies. All serve a purpose but you can easily do the job with the low cost Lee units and sacrifice nothing on results.

Take time to study castbullet site, lots of good info there. If you are serious, spend the time to read all the "stickies" which is a speed course in bullet casting lessons learned.

Failed to say earlier: my .311, .312, .313 and .314 sizing dies allow me to load and shoot Enfields, Arisaka and Mosin rifles with bullets precisely made to fit bores of those rifles. One other thing, cast bullets are gentle to old rifles and don't wear out bores. On pistols: same thing, zero bore wear.

So, proper .314 sized bullet driven out of a WWI era Lithgow No1MkIII* with worn bore, will routinely shoot 2 MOA at 300 meters. It has done better and if I am off, it will do worse. On average 2 MOA with iron sights may be not a bad average for 67 yr old eyes.

Making your own bullets means you never are out of bullets. Never out of the right bullet for a specific rifles bore. Lots of folks avoid casting but those that try it find its a great benefit to the shooting life.

Just know this: find sources of lead and wheel weights before you sink money into gear. If wheel wt. are not available in your area, it is a game changer.

If you have sources: buy up a large supply pronto. Then start casting and sizing bullets to properly fit your bore. You can get into gas checking bases later when you want to push the bullets faster.

One note: gas checks are a added cost and sometimes Hornady (cheapest I could find) supply dries up and there are voids of availability. I solved that problem for eternity by buying t he gear to make my own checks (total was $150 in gear) and never looked back. At $30 per 1000 (that was the cost a few yrs ago), my gear paid for itself inside a year of s hooting cast bullets . I make 11 checks for a penny now and I have a awesome load of Unique powder, 170 gr Lee bullet, .314 gas checked hard alloy, Carnuba bullet lube loading that costs me 10 cents a shot (current costs ) and is good to 300 meters. As long as I can find powder and bullet making material, I can shoot .

There has been times these last few years when .311 and .312 jacketed bullets could not be found for reloading and while it matters, it did not stop me from shooting Mosins and Enfields. I have rifles that I just shot cast bullets from and never missed a range opportunity...granted I shot to 300 meters where with FMJ bullets I go to 600 yds and on to 1000 yds. I saved my hoard of FMJ for the long range work and used cast for 300 meter work.

I shoot a lot pistol and rifle cast bullets: been doing it for 40 years and its paid HUGE DIVIDENDS in more shooting and money saved.

Yeah casting is work but its a labor of love ... it puts me on the shooting range . Its a hobby...that supports my shooting passion. If you don't shoot much...all of this falls on deaf ears.
 

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Is there a cast for a 54R that will work with a M91/30 with a .315 bore?
Yes, you cast your bullets and size to .315. You can open up Lee molds to do this and open up Lee sizing dies to do this with a dowel and 600 grade fine paper. Go to castboolits forum and the guys will take you to success. If you don't do casting, there are casters who make bullets on order commercially ...again ask over t here and the guys will point you in right direction.

Cast bullets are very user friendly !!
 

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