[arisakadogs]

I've always thought this was a cool example. It could be in a little better condition as the metal has some surface rust going on. Still, it's a neat piece that shows the changes leading to the "last ditch" rifles. Still has the short rear sight & front sight guards but has the large recoil lug, and the wood butt plate. Also, it's not drilled for a cleaning rod.
I can just imagine Vic wanting to take an impact screwdriver to it's mythically staked screws just to make sure it's safe to shoot!

 

[Vicasoto]

Hey Willis :
Whatcha doing, trying to pull wool over my eyes ???????. Ok are the scews still staked on this Nagoya abortion ?.
Wow Zooie ! this is a first for this series, the earliest wooden buttplate and "B" recoil ever. I once owned 98842 and it was a true "last ditch" features. This almost looks like an 80,000 action mounted on 95,000 wood. Unique and very weird. Nice going, wanna borrow my impact driver, I hate them staked / cherry screws .
Vicasoto

 

[arisakadogs]

Totally staked and they will remain so. Kinda important huh?

 

[BIG ED]

Rob,
Nice! I have 7th series #94911 and it has the short hadguard and the peep sight. Tough rifle to find as they made about 6000 Could be a very narrow window that these chages took place in.

 

[03man]

Don't forget chroming of the bore ends sometime in the 7th, how about taking a look?

MY 81k range has a welded safety and cyl bolt knob, small recoil lug, shallow cup bp, and non chrome bore.

 

[davef]

I have 83115, and 89938 .83115 has the small recoil bolt, 89938 has the large recoil bolt,and the metal cleaning rod tip, BUT isnt drilled for a rod. Both have the long handguard.

 

[arisakadogs]

I have 83115, and 89938 .

OK - what do they look like?

 

[arisakadogs]

Don't forget chroming of the bore ends sometime in the 7th, how about taking a look.

Don, my records have a pretty big gap around the chrome bore. I show 24213 having the chrome bore & 49304 as not having it.
While on 'details' - in this series, you need to look at whether the bolt handle is a machined cylinder or a cast cylinder. Geeze, I love this shit!

 

[Vicasoto]

Amen Arisaka
Vicasoto

 

[BIG ED]

none of mine are chromed I believe but all are over the 40k serial number range.

 

[Nagoya10]

Apparently by 95750 the 7th was in full Substitute mode. Mine has the fixed rear sight, "G" type, short handguard, pinned front band, large diameter crossbolt and cast cylindrical bolt handle. The stock does not have a seperate forestock but the finger grooves have been deleted. It also has a sewn on late canvas sling with a tape wrapping around the sewn part. One of the receiver screws is still staked, fortunately, so it has not been apart. Seems that lot of changes took place in the 7th series.

Is there any evidence of what Arsenal started producing the Substitute T-99 first? Ronin and 03's book says it is believed that Kokura may have developed it, but did Nagoya start the production? With the numbers made there it seems as though maybe they could have.

 

[Gunrunner]

At a recent gun show a family put out their dad's Japanese rifle collection of about 12 rifles, I saw a couple of trainers, 2 or 3 Type 38's and 5 or 6 Type 99's, it was a feeding frenzy with all the sharks because everything was cheap. I managed to grab a last ditch nobody was looking at, it was a 7th series # 99142 in new condition, matched, ground, grooved safety, cast bolt, no ears, large recoil lug, no cleaning rod hole, short handguard, peep sight and no chrome bore. It came with an unnumbered dust cover that maybe the collector put it on because I thought they should have been eliminated by then.

 

[Vicasoto]

Morning Gunrunner :
Did you buy that 7th last ditch ?. If so it was a heck of a find. Am doing a quick study from this one thread. Seven rifles so far from 83115 to 99142.
There is one discrepancy, in the new 99 book the "B" serrated safety knob stopped being used by # 66119. It does show up off and on till the end. Can you disassemble the safety off the bolt and check to see if the firing pin and the safety are numbered 142 ?. Also want to make sure, yours has the wooden buttplate ?.
Rifle # 99142 is now the highest reported serial number of the 7th series.
Congratulations.
Vicasoto

 

[seinen]

Back in the mid-80s, I saw 7th Series #99981 at one of the old Stratford (CT) National Guard Armory shows. Was unground and matched. I passed the info along to Bobby, but don't know if it made it into a published form or not. I suppose he still has it in his records someplace. Sure wish now I'd bought it.

C/

 

[Vicasoto]

Morning seinen:
Wow a new high !. No I don't think your data was passed on, it never made it to the initial 99 book or the new edition by White & Voigt. 7 new pieces of data on this one thread is pretty good.
Now to all of you folks ( davef, Adogs, Big Ed, Nagoya10, Gunrunner ) please down load from the stickies a 99 rifle data reporting chart and fill one out on each of these rifles, mail it in to Trey Stancil. That is how this data will be put down on paper and will eventually go into the future 99 BOOK.
Vicasoto

 

[seinen]

Morning seinen:
Wow a new high !. No I don't think your data was passed on, it never made it to the initial 99 book or the new edition by White & Voigt.Vicasoto

That's what I thought. I know I mentioned the serial number and some brief characteristics to Bobby. Maybe Doss as well. A lot of nice items came from this show, like the 12th Series, serial number 403. Too bad the state withdrew permission for it to be held at the CT Guard Armory.

C/

 

[Gunrunner]

Vicasoto, Yes I bought it, the safety and firing pin are matched and wooden butt plate.

 

[03man]

Actually if you send the data sheets to Doss he will distribute them to Trey and keep a copy for the Banzai records. There seems to be some doubt as to whether or not the data sheet info will be used for the big 99 book, or just data from the Alabama collection.

I was unable to get updated data from Trey for the T 99 revision just finished.

Victor,
If you will check p 27 in the T99 book, you will see that we said the Type B safety was used randomly up to the 94k range. This is also evident from the table.

I'm glad someone is reading the book!

 

[HowdyDoody]

I have 7th series #28418 with chrome bore, #73611 with non chrome bore and #89037, non chrome, cast bolt handle and wood not drilled for rod.

jim

 

[Ronin48]

There were two configurations of Substitute Type 99s in the 7th series (Not Mutt's config. which is not a Sub 99) One had the "T 99" receiver and the other the true, no 99, Sub. receiver. These were scarce back in the 80s eerly 90s, imagine they are like hen's teeth to find today.