Hello French collectors,I have found information on this Rifle in single shot configurations but no information on the Rifle I have.Mine has a box magazine possibly 5 shot.This is a Rifle not a carbine.Has a date of 1886 in the stock.All matching that I can see.The bolt handle is straight,not bent.On top of the receiver there is a shield with a S in it.Under that is the serial # 168,behind that is another mark possibly a crown.On the right side of the receiver there is SICHAMOND below that is a cannon,on the left side of the cannon there is the letter P and on the right side there is the letter G.On the left side of the receiver there are what looks like L.F.A.P. and below that St.Denis. It has a stacking rod and on the left side of the stock there is the cleaning rod.No import mark.Any help with this to include Value and rareity would be appreciated. J.M. P.S. I do not own a digital camera so pictures ( and I know they would help Greatly ) are not possible.
l.Daudeteau information needed
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Greetings,
You apparently have one of the weapons that was tested by the French Military. I have a similar weapon, only mine has the bent down bolt and does have a cleaning rod. I have found a number of differences in the magazine weapons of this type. Some have a stock that looks much like the Berthier while others lack the wood over the magazine. Some have cleaning rods and some do not. Whatever the style, you have a rather uncommon rifle. The Daudeteau was never adopted by the military, but I recall references that it was utilized during WWI when weapons of any stripe were utilized. The cartridges for this rifle can be expensive too (originals). Brass is available from Buffalo Arms as well as reloading dies.
You apparently have one of the weapons that was tested by the French Military. I have a similar weapon, only mine has the bent down bolt and does have a cleaning rod. I have found a number of differences in the magazine weapons of this type. Some have a stock that looks much like the Berthier while others lack the wood over the magazine. Some have cleaning rods and some do not. Whatever the style, you have a rather uncommon rifle. The Daudeteau was never adopted by the military, but I recall references that it was utilized during WWI when weapons of any stripe were utilized. The cartridges for this rifle can be expensive too (originals). Brass is available from Buffalo Arms as well as reloading dies.
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Hello and Thanks for your reply, The stock on my Rifle is straight unlike yours looking more like the Berthier.I can't find any Info on the many variations of these Rifles but I'm sure there is something out there. Regards, J.M.
Hello and Thanks for your reply, The stock on my Rifle is straight unlike yours looking more like the Berthier.I can't find any Info on the many variations of these Rifles but I'm sure there is something out there. Regards, J.M.
L.Daudeteau Rifle
The Barrel length looks like 30 1/2 inches with overall length of the Rifle 50 1/2 inches. The stock has finger grooves and there is a short hand guard.I have seen the single shot versions sell for $500-$700. But I haven't seen another one like this with a box Magazine.It has been in my gun safe for quite a few years. I'm not even sure that the cleaning rod that is there is the correct one but that's the one that was in it when I became the owner.The Rear sight goes from 9 to 20.Meters ??? I am thinking of selling it but I would like to know it's value to be fair on both ends. Thank's. J.M.
The Barrel length looks like 30 1/2 inches with overall length of the Rifle 50 1/2 inches. The stock has finger grooves and there is a short hand guard.I have seen the single shot versions sell for $500-$700. But I haven't seen another one like this with a box Magazine.It has been in my gun safe for quite a few years. I'm not even sure that the cleaning rod that is there is the correct one but that's the one that was in it when I became the owner.The Rear sight goes from 9 to 20.Meters ??? I am thinking of selling it but I would like to know it's value to be fair on both ends. Thank's. J.M.
Daudeteau value
Greetings,
It is always dangerous to tell someone what something is worth without seeing the item. I think the single shot 1871 conversions are way overpriced and there aren't enough magazine weapons out there to set a reasonable price by comparison. If you decide to sell, PM me.
Greetings,
It is always dangerous to tell someone what something is worth without seeing the item. I think the single shot 1871 conversions are way overpriced and there aren't enough magazine weapons out there to set a reasonable price by comparison. If you decide to sell, PM me.
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Daudeteau rifles
The markings on your Daudeteau rifle stand for:
SFAP/St Denis = Société française d'Armes Portatives, based in Saint Denis near Paris
StChamond = Compagnie des Forges et Aciéries de la Marine based in Saint Chamond
The daudeteau patent was bought by Compagnie des Forges et Aciéries de la Marine who built it and tried unsuccessfully to sell it to the French government in 1896, and a subsidiary was created (SFAP) to sell it abroad.
The Daudeteau was not used by the French Army during WWI, altough about 10 to 15.000 rifles and carbines were built and sold by Manufrance on the civilian market.
The rifle on the pictures is the "B" model in 6.5mm with a 5 shots magazine that was tested in 1896 by the French Army, and found very well made and very effective.
The commercial decision made àt the turn of the century to stick with the 8x50R cartirdge and the 1.500.000 Lebel rifles in inventory was made easy by the adoption of the D bullet.
kelt
The markings on your Daudeteau rifle stand for:
SFAP/St Denis = Société française d'Armes Portatives, based in Saint Denis near Paris
StChamond = Compagnie des Forges et Aciéries de la Marine based in Saint Chamond
The daudeteau patent was bought by Compagnie des Forges et Aciéries de la Marine who built it and tried unsuccessfully to sell it to the French government in 1896, and a subsidiary was created (SFAP) to sell it abroad.
The Daudeteau was not used by the French Army during WWI, altough about 10 to 15.000 rifles and carbines were built and sold by Manufrance on the civilian market.
The rifle on the pictures is the "B" model in 6.5mm with a 5 shots magazine that was tested in 1896 by the French Army, and found very well made and very effective.
The commercial decision made àt the turn of the century to stick with the 8x50R cartirdge and the 1.500.000 Lebel rifles in inventory was made easy by the adoption of the D bullet.
kelt
Hello,
This rifle it is not a regular model. It is a mix between a Daudeteau and the stock of the French Berthier rifle.
I think it is an experimental model by the Companiey des Forges et Aciéries de Saint-Chamond (PG letters from both sides of the drawing of a cannon). The production models wore the letters A or B. The specials models the letter S.
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This rifle it is not a regular model. It is a mix between a Daudeteau and the stock of the French Berthier rifle.
I think it is an experimental model by the Companiey des Forges et Aciéries de Saint-Chamond (PG letters from both sides of the drawing of a cannon). The production models wore the letters A or B. The specials models the letter S.
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