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The Bomb Plot against Hitler. Interesting to speculate what might have happened had the briefing took place in the bunker and not the Lagerbaracke, or Colonel Brandt had not kicked Stauffenberg's briefcase and moved it to the other side of the table support.
 

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The Bomb Plot against Hitler. Interesting to speculate what might have happened had the briefing took place in the bunker and not the Lagerbaracke, or Colonel Brandt had not kicked Stauffenberg's briefcase and moved it to the other side of the table support.
There have been some counter-factuals that have considered those "What ifs".
 

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Also they should have used more Explosive, irrespective of where they were having the meeting...and also, despite the close scrutiny of all the Participants by the SS prior to entry, a Pistol or a Grenade could have been brought in for a "Final Solution"

For such a meticulous People, the Germans were particularly inept in their Assassination attempts. A good old "Suicide Bomber'' would have resolved their problems, even in the Late 1930s.

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Also they should have used more Explosive, irrespective of where they were having the meeting...and also, despite the close scrutiny of all the Participants by the SS prior to entry, a Pistol or a Grenade could have been brought in for a "Final Solution"

For such a meticulous People, the Germans were particularly inept in their Assassination attempts. A good old "Suicide Bomber'' would have resolved their problems, even in the Late 1930s.

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Indeed.
 

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I have always laughed at the German assassination plots. They seemed to have wanted to escape totally undetected and forgot the main objective
of killing Hitler. They may have good chemists, engineers and other scientists but they do not seem to have the stomach for dealing with a treacherous leader. Like you say a simple ice pick will work when used with determination.

Also they should have used more Explosive, irrespective of where they were having the meeting...and also, despite the close scrutiny of all the Participants by the SS prior to entry, a Pistol or a Grenade could have been brought in for a "Final Solution"

For such a meticulous People, the Germans were particularly inept in their Assassination attempts. A good old "Suicide Bomber'' would have resolved their problems, even in the Late 1930s.

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They may have good chemists, engineers and other scientists but they do not seem to have the stomach for dealing with a treacherous leader.
Yep, it was too bad that all the German sociopaths were in Hitler's camp. ;)

I found myself (like others apparently) completely baffled when reading about all the various plots. It did indeed seem like providence was protecting Hitler, until you recognize that the attempts were often almost comedic. Every attempt was undermined by fear. No one, wanted to be caught in proximity to Hitler's death. The plotters' logic just broke down. They knew if they failed they'd all die, but they weren't willing to really lay their life on the line to succeed either.

It takes a bunch of nerve for a sane man to "just do it" an draw blood in an assassination even when it comes to someone like Hitler. Ole John Wilkes Booth took years (and apparently about a dozen drinks over the course of a day) to get up the nerve to put the derringer to Lincoln's head.
 

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One thing that has impressed me in my readings about the German Resistance is that there were no leaks or betrayals. At the same time it illustrates the Elder Von Moltke's observation that "No plan survives contact with the enemy." If General Fellgiebel had shut down communications at Rastenburg despite seeing that Hitler had survived it might have given the plotters the extra time need to carry it out. Eisenhower said "Plans are nothing, planning is everything!" You need a Plan, an Alternate Plan, a Backup Plan, a Contigency Plan, an Emergency Plan-and you still need to think on your feet.
 
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