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A close examination of McCarthy and some critical thinking, a rare commodity today, shows that McCarthy was right. All else is liberal propaganda.

I know that it irritates people to hear the truth, but I've never known Ann Coulter to be wrong; because she footnotes her data with references and facts. Yes, one may take issue with her mannerisms, especially if they suck from same trough as gun grabbing liberals, but she is right. All else is bluster.
 

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This is actually a very good thread and there are great points here, both sides so to speak because that's what it has become (the truth will out), showing us that things aren't so simple. At best. The left is evil and wiley, and the right is its own worst enemy sometimes. And just because Tailgunner Joe seemed paranoid didn't mean no-one was after him.

I appreciate your own mission, but, IR...

...have you no shame, Madam!? Have you no shame?

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A close examination of McCarthy and some critical thinking, a rare commodity today, shows that McCarthy was right. All else is liberal propaganda.

I know that it irritates people to hear the truth, but I've never known Ann Coulter to be wrong; because she footnotes her data with references and facts. Yes, one may take issue with her mannerisms, especially if they suck from same trough as gun grabbing liberals, but she is right. All else is bluster.
Well, Joe was right in claiming there was Commie penetration of our government and some of its agencies. But then, Congressman Martin Dies of Texas had already established that - and succeeded in actually naming names of guilty persons as Joe didn't. Though he pushed things sort of far as well and damaged people who did not deserve it. The man was a real pr*ck and not admirable. But - I have more (not a lot, but more) respect for what he actually did than I do for Joe McCarthy - who failed to actually identify bad guys and injured the investigative process by his grand-standing.

And when I say he was a pr*ck, that is based on not only the record, but on having met him and having been professionally associated with one of his sons (we worked for the same state agency at one time) - who had some stories to tell....
 

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Joe no hero, just prejudice, and fueling paranoid ant- Communisms

sentiment's for political headlines & gains during a time of nuke sensitivity and everyone spying. :eek:
sorry, may have been right, no was generally right.:confused:
but no hero to European ethnic groups that weren't communist, just socialist in their nature, unions, philosophy and religious beliefs.:( <><dk
 

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"Perhaps you are unaware of Francisco Franco?"

Yeah, i remember him. It was Franco who singlehandedly saved Spain from being taken over by the Stalinists.
Right.... Singlehandedly? As the Spanish navy largely remained loyal to the government, Franco would have failed spectacularly if it was not for the airplanes provided to him by Adolf Hitler, that allowed him to bring his troops from Noth Africa into mainland spain. Also, his victory is mainly due to the fact that the non-intervention agreement stopped the government from getting weapons and supplies, while Nazi Germany and Fascist Italy (who were parties to the agreement while blatantly ignoring it)provided enormous amounts of modern weapons, soldiers, ammunition, fuel and much more to Francos forces. So, that victory is not his achievement alone, but must be shared with the other "heroes" of that day and age, Hitler and Mussolini. Oh, and I forgot to mention his (de facto) helper, Neville Chamberlain. BTW, did he not also have the aid of mssrs de Llano and Mola?

Also, saved Spain from being taken over by the Stalinists? The Stalinists, though present in Spain (as in all european countries), were a minor force, and apart from being part of the wide "popular front" that elected the government, had little influence. However Francos coup increased their position tenfold. The fact that the Soviet union was the only nation that would aid the Spanish government substancially, and their efforts to raise volunteer brigades, allowed the Stalinists to increase their influence incredibly, at the end of the war they controlled most of the Spanish republic, despite being way too few to have any real popular support. Stalinism grew to be a major force in Spain due to Franco, so he destroyed a beast of his own making. The government he rebelled against was not Stalinist at all.

And, before you even start, this is not marxist propaganda, simply the realities as they were at that point. The popular front was left wing, definitely, but far from dominated by stalinists. The Spanish government in 1936 was a liberal and moderate (by western european standards) government, and it did not have a single stalinist in it at that point.

So, Irgun, you believe that the overthrow of a democratically elected government by people like Franco, Hitler and Mussolini was a heroic act in defence of democracy?

No, Franco was, as is correctly stated earlier in this thread, a right wing totalitarian, and the fact that he was allowed to keep ruling spain after fascism had been defeated in the rest of Europe is a blemish on European history. I would not welcome a Stalinist Spain either, but there was actually little danger that that would have occured....
 

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Irgun, no comment about McCarthy LYING about the number of missions he flew (32 as opposed to the 12 he actually flew) in order to get a Distinguished Flying Cross he knew damned well he didn't earn?

It is well documented that McCarthy told several bald-faced lies about his war record, and not just the number of missions he flew. Despite his automatic commission, he claimed to have enlisted as a "buck private." McCarthy publicized a glowing letter of commendation which he claimed had been signed by Admiral Nimitz. However, it was revealed that McCarthy had written his own commendation. Such citations were pro forma, and Nimitz signed thousands of them during the war without checking on their accuracy. A supposed "war wound" that McCarthy variously attributed to plane crashes or antiaircraft fire was in fact received aboard ship during a "shellback" hazing ritual. McCarthy never received a Purple Heart, and the Pentagon confirmed he was never wounded in action.

As for his involvement in the hearings, the nature of McCarthy's accusations gave him a responsibility to produce some evidence backing them. He did not, and the simplest explanation for that is that he could not. His antics undermined the effort to route out REAL communists in positions of authority.

Typical lying politician, who, if he EVER did the right thing, you can be sure it was because The Right Thing happened to briefly intersect with What's Good for Joe McCarthy.

F--- Him, The End.
 

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Typical lying politician, who, if he EVER did the right thing, you can be sure it was because The Right Thing happened to briefly intersect with What's Good for Joe McCarthy. F--- Him, The End.
THIS. Ever so much this.
 

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Franco's war was the dress-rehearsal for WWII, IR, and the conduct of it emboldened the fascists and set the world down the path of "peace in our time."

I would say, however, we need to bring back HUAC as soon as the current Administration is dethroned and deposed. That said, another "McCarthy," much like Congress(wo)man Caroline McCarthy should be, would be a good focus for such.

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Franco's war was the dress-rehearsal for WWII, IR, and the conduct of it emboldened the fascists and set the world down the path of "peace in our time."

I would say, however, we need to bring back HUAC as soon as the current Administration is dethroned and deposed. That said, another "McCarthy," much like Congress(wo)man Caroline McCarthy should be, would be a good focus for such.

Alden
Apparently people still don't have any problems with tyrannical government, just so long as they control it.
 

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McCarthy was a poseur in both his military and political careers. One thinge he was good at was using the press, he was one of the few senators of the time who made himself available to the press and treated them properly.
 

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Apparently people still don't have any problems with tyrannical government, just so long as they control it.
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Laws of Congress in Regard to Taxes, Currency and Conscription, Passed February 1864.
35p.
Richmond:
James E. Goode, Senate Printer
1864

CONSCRIPTION LAW.

An act to organize forces to serve during the war.

The congress of the Confederate States of America do enact, That from and after the passage of this act, all white men, residents of the Confederate States, between the ages of seventeen and fifty, shall be in the military service of the Confederate States for the war.

.....SEC. 10. That all laws granting exemptions from military service be and the same are hereby repealed, and hereafter none shall be exempted except the following:


.....II. The vice-president of the Confederate States, the members and officers of congress and of the several state legislatures, and such other confederate and state officers as the president or the governors of the respective states may certify to be necessary for the proper administration of the confederate or state governments, as the case may be.....

V. There shall be exempt one person as overseer or agriculturalist on each farm or plantation upon which there are now and were, on the first day of January last, fifteen able-bodied field hands between the ages of sixteen and fifty, upon the following conditions: 1. This exemption shall only be granted in cases in which there is no white male adult on the farm or plantation not liable to military service, nor unless the person claiming the exemption was, on the first day of January 1864, either the owner and manager or overseer of said plantation



SPEECH OF HON. GEORGE A. GORDON, OF CHATHAM,
ON THE CONSTITUTIONALITY OF THE CONSCRIPTION LAWS,
PASSED BY THE CONGRESS OF THE CONFEDERATE STATES,
Delivered in the Senate of Georgia, on Tuesday, 9th December, 1862.

The Committee on Confederate Relations made two reports, one the Majority, and the other the Minority.

The following resolutions were offered by Mr. Gordon as a substitute for both:

"The General Assembly of Georgia, impressed with the conviction that their primary duty at this juncture of the nation's history is to bring this unhallowed war to a successful close, at whatever sacrifice of blood or treasure, do hereby

Resolved, That they will take no action that shall impede the Acts of Congress, commonly called the Conscript Acts.

But, under a deep sense of their obligations to the State, this General Assembly, in the name and behalf of the people of Georgia, do solemnly protest against said Acts as a violation of the Constitution of the Confederate States, and an infringement upon the sovereignty of the several States."


.........And in order that I may show my sincerity, my deep sincerity, in seeking to shut out from this discussion all shade of passion, I desire to say, before beginning my argument, that I am willing to submit to the enforcement of the Conscription Acts, notwithstanding I shall endeavor to demonstrate that they are unconstitutional. My purpose is to whip this fight, and I am willing, rather than submit to the tyranny of Lincoln, to yield obedience for a time to worse than oriental despotism.
 

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U r not making sense. The best that can be said of our Pretender in Chief is that he is the anti-American Marxist leader of a Democrat Party that cannot be salvaged. I, on the other hand, believe in American exceptionalism. That there is clearly good and evil. And right and wrong. I'm not sure where you apparently fell, stepped, or were pushed off the bandwagon, and there is no time nor reason for patriots to care...
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Laws of Congress in Regard to Taxes, Currency and Conscription, Passed February 1864.
35p.
Richmond:
James E. Goode, Senate Printer
1864

CONSCRIPTION LAW.

An act to organize forces to serve during the war.

The congress of the Confederate States of America do enact, That from and after the passage of this act, all white men, residents of the Confederate States, between the ages of seventeen and fifty, shall be in the military service of the Confederate States for the war.

.....SEC. 10. That all laws granting exemptions from military service be and the same are hereby repealed, and hereafter none shall be exempted except the following:


.....II. The vice-president of the Confederate States, the members and officers of congress and of the several state legislatures, and such other confederate and state officers as the president or the governors of the respective states may certify to be necessary for the proper administration of the confederate or state governments, as the case may be.....

V. There shall be exempt one person as overseer or agriculturalist on each farm or plantation upon which there are now and were, on the first day of January last, fifteen able-bodied field hands between the ages of sixteen and fifty, upon the following conditions: 1. This exemption shall only be granted in cases in which there is no white male adult on the farm or plantation not liable to military service, nor unless the person claiming the exemption was, on the first day of January 1864, either the owner and manager or overseer of said plantation



SPEECH OF HON. GEORGE A. GORDON, OF CHATHAM,
ON THE CONSTITUTIONALITY OF THE CONSCRIPTION LAWS,
PASSED BY THE CONGRESS OF THE CONFEDERATE STATES,
Delivered in the Senate of Georgia, on Tuesday, 9th December, 1862.

The Committee on Confederate Relations made two reports, one the Majority, and the other the Minority.

The following resolutions were offered by Mr. Gordon as a substitute for both:

"The General Assembly of Georgia, impressed with the conviction that their primary duty at this juncture of the nation's history is to bring this unhallowed war to a successful close, at whatever sacrifice of blood or treasure, do hereby

Resolved, That they will take no action that shall impede the Acts of Congress, commonly called the Conscript Acts.

But, under a deep sense of their obligations to the State, this General Assembly, in the name and behalf of the people of Georgia, do solemnly protest against said Acts as a violation of the Constitution of the Confederate States, and an infringement upon the sovereignty of the several States."


.........And in order that I may show my sincerity, my deep sincerity, in seeking to shut out from this discussion all shade of passion, I desire to say, before beginning my argument, that I am willing to submit to the enforcement of the Conscription Acts, notwithstanding I shall endeavor to demonstrate that they are unconstitutional. My purpose is to whip this fight, and I am willing, rather than submit to the tyranny of Lincoln, to yield obedience for a time to worse than oriental despotism.




It's a good thing General Lee wasn't a politician.




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