[carbine85]

I grab this rifle a few weeks back for $100 OTD. It looks like your typical war time 1943. What I noticed about this one is it's Izhevsk stamped all the way through including the cleaning rod and barrel bands. The stock is original with 10-12 proof marks, numbers are stamped into the wood under the butt plate and no refurb stamp. It has a refurb stamp on the receiver and a brite bore. All the numbers are matching font and no grind marks or indicators of re-stamping.
It actually has a smooth running bolt and shoots better than most of my others.
My question is if this rifle wasn't issued and was simply inspected, stamped and put into storage?

 

[RyanE]

There are a few unissued 43 Izhevsks imported, but I've never seen one that was marked by a Soviet repair facility.

Clear pictures of all the parts (including stock markings) would be of great help.

 

[carbine85]

I'll get some this evening when I get back from the range.

 

[doncb]

A'43 was most likely issued and used (even if not used much). 1943 was a bad year for the Russians so I would think anything that could shoot would be used. No referb marks can sometimes be misleading.

Pics or it didn't happen! :tisk:

 

[Ol' Relic]

Although it's counterintuitive, there seem to be a fair number of virtually unused '43 Izhevsks floating around. As mentioned above, detailed pics will be the best way to judge.

 

[carbine85]

Here's the pictures. Another thing I noticed is the bore wasn't copper fouled like all the others I have or had.

 

[pgaplayerless]

its a refub

 

[Eula520]

its a refub

+1, no stock cartouche and force matched numbers are a dead giveaway.

 

[doncb]

+1, no stock cartouche and force matched numbers are a dead giveaway.

Yup. Nice rifle though and a heck of a price.

 

[carbine85]

+1, no stock cartouche and force matched numbers are a dead giveaway.

How can you tell the numbers are forced matched?

 

[Eula520]

You can tell because the fonts do not match, all original matching guns all have the same fonts.

 

[Ol' Relic]

Yep, refurb, but that's still a great price in the current market.

 

[carbine85]

You can tell because the fonts do not match, all original matching guns all have the same fonts.

Which number or letter is different? The "C"? Close up all the numbers look and measure the same. The C looks different on the receiver.

 

[doncb]

Which number or letter is different? The "C"? Close up all the numbers look and measure the same. The C looks different on the receiver.

The bolt is a definite replacement. The face has been ground down a lot.

 

[Oli]

Which number or letter is different? The "C"? Close up all the numbers look and measure the same. The C looks different on the receiver.

The "B" is the kicker. Notice how on the barrel the upper lobe is noticeably smaller than the lower one and on the three other parts the lobes are similar in size.

 

[RyanE]

Another clue is just how clean the bolt is. This is what an original '43 bolt usually looks like.

 

[carbine85]

The "B" is the kicker. Notice how on the barrel the upper lobe is noticeably smaller than the lower one and on the three other parts the lobes are similar in size.

I can see the difference in the B.

 

[Blahman]

Still a nice gun for a C note......most I see at gunshows and OFA (Our Favorite Auction Site) are in the 175/189 buck range.......