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And by we I mean 90% of all of you.

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcon...s/DN-dreher_30edi.State.Edition1.2b92bf2.html

Ron Paul, if only we listened

I didn't vote for Ron Paul in the Republican primary (I was a Mike Huckabee man), nor did I write him in on Election Day (I penciled in farmer-poet Wendell Berry). But no Texan this year did more good for conservatism and his country than the congressman from the coast.

Lord knows there was no Republican in the 2008 campaign who talked straighter.

Dr. Paul – he's a physician – never had a chance, of course. He is too peculiar in his opinions and doesn't know how to spin like a TV slick. What he had was ideas, integrity and authenticity. On the most critical challenges facing America, Dr. Paul was more right than the well-funded GOP regulars who bigfooted the campaign trail.

His best moment came in a May debate aired on Fox News. Dr. Paul asserted that too much U.S. meddling in the Middle East invites terrorist blowback – a conclusion shared by the 9/11 commission and former CIA bin Laden unit chief Michael Scheuer. Rudy Giuliani pounced, accusing Dr. Paul of trying to blame America for the Sept. 11 attacks.

But Dr. Paul's point – lost on the demagogic New York mayor – was simply that America should rethink its role in Iraq and the region. "We don't understand the irrationality of Middle Eastern politics," he said in the debate.

Who can doubt it today, given an Iraq war debacle conceived and executed by a president and an elite team blinded by ideology? The Iraq war did deep damage to our military, our economy and our prestige – and it has destroyed the Republican Party's credibility on national security issues.

Ron Paul, who has always stood against U.S. imperial overreach, was right about the Iraq war. And that's not the only thing he saw that most Republicans did not.

His libertarian economic views are far from mainstream. For example, he's against income taxes, period, and believes the U.S. should go back on the gold standard. Eccentricities like this keep him from being taken seriously.

But the truth is, if U.S. economic policy looked a lot more like Ron Paul's ideal than what we've had these past decades, the nation wouldn't be tottering on the financial abyss. Dr. Paul has long argued that an economy built on easy credit, insatiable consumption and deficit spending is a time bomb. He backs a national economic model based on savings, investment and production.

An economy that depends so heavily on government intervention to keep it afloat is one that creates of necessity an ever more powerful state. The nationalization of the banking sector only increases the power of the central government and decreases liberty. Dr. Paul warned for years against what we're seeing happen today. But nobody – including me – listened to the old crank.

How much better off would America be today if we had? We'll never know. Poor us.

It's not true, really, that nobody listened. Dr. Paul had a relatively small but intensely devoted following and raised astonishing amounts of campaign cash for his outsider presidential bid. Unfortunately, that enthusiasm didn't amount to much of anything in the primaries. So much for the Ron Paul Revolution, right?

Maybe not. The same GOP establishment that mocked and reviled Dr. Paul now lies shattered. Who believes in this Republican Party anymore? The party destroyed itself with its own unprincipled recklessness, both in foreign and fiscal policy. And it has ruined its reputation among the young – the most ardent of Dr. Paul's supporters, incidentally – who are far more likely to identify with the Democrats.

Out of this destruction, some creative young conservatives may rise up and decide to take back the Republican Party. Perhaps they'll run against the overweening power of the federal government and in favor of decentralizing power (but unlike today's Republicans, they'll actually mean it). Maybe they'll fight for an America that lives responsibly, within its natural limits both overseas and at home. And maybe, just maybe, they might make the Republican Party worth following again.

If that day comes, it will be thanks to the lifelong labors of Ron Paul and his 2008 campaign based on ideas. If those ideas germinate into genuine reform and restoration of sanity in our government, America will look back on Dr. Paul as a gift from Texas and a worthy nominee as Dallas Morning News Texan of the Year.

And having once given the nation George W. Bush – and given him to our countrymen good and hard – we Texans sure as hell owe them one.
 

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If RP would have somehow got the GOP nomination BHO would have won by an even bigger margin, probably the biggest in presidential history. How was a fringe candidate like RP going up against a populist like BHO was going to pull it off?...there was no way RP was going to beat BHO in this race at this time, saying otherwise is being delusional. I’m guessing most republican voters would have most likely stayed home on election day rather than vote for RP, in turn causing a true humiliating defeat of epic proportions - that’s reality.

It's time to move on, move ahead. Let's start thinking about the mid term elections coming up in 2 years and taking back the house and senate. This should be our biggest focus right now...ala '94.
 

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i really like ron paul.. it really is too bad SO MANY people kept saying what a kook he was.. oh,well.. maybe obama will be BETTER?:p
 

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This is how you feed the troll. Any thread started by speck, chasdev of BRussel on his domm-n-gloom rant should be resoundingly ignored, no comments, nothing.

There is no glory in saying 'nyah-nyah-nyah' which is what all this RuPaul twat is about. RuPaul is hardly the banner carrier for the Republican party. Palin is a much better choice, having a standard of leadership that is polarizing enough to delineate the core, ideal, difference between Dem and Repub. The choice has got to be clear, and the choice cannot include a fossil whose 17th century mindset has not allowed his practical rthinking to invade any thoughts or debates he has.

RuPaul has always been teh lunatic candidate that traps the idealists and loons. The idealists see the error of their way and leave him to the dustbin of history, while the loons adhere even more ardently to his coat tails.
 

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Absolute power corrupts absolutely. Democrat, Republican, Conservative, Liberal, Green, Libertarian, Socialist, it doesn't matter. That has broke the Replican party, and it is what will break the dems(again) it would do the same with ANY 3rd party.
 

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How LONG will this adoration of RonPaul go on? If we had only listened? WILL YOU PLEASE SHUT THE HELL UP!
Your tin god had NO CHANCE of EVER being a viable candidate, and your pissing and moaning about it is annoying.
Do You actualy THINK that if everyone on this forum had voted for him, it would have made ANY difference?:rolleyes:
He had as much chance of being chosen as Ralph Nader.:D
 

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I'm sorry, you voted for McCain, remember?

Thus the end to whatever cred you had.
Ron Paul was not running in the general election and was not a valid write-in candidate in my state.

End of my Cred? We'll I'll just get the fed to create about $500 billion in cred and have them give it to me.
 

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The Article was well written with MANY MANY TRUTHS!!!!!.....and this is Why I'm PROUD to have WRITTEN-IN my vote for Ron Paul.......Even though I KNEW he was NOT a Viable candidate, he was the RIGHT choice and the ONLY choice.....

I have no sympathy for this country and the people of this country.......You get what you ask for and you people asked for this socialism.....now you're gonna get it.......tough shit!!

Like the Title of this thread says.....If you had only listened......that goes for you too MB48......hell, you didn't even listen to your own principles......oh well...
 

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dude you are burnt, you really should be on Dr. Drews celebrity rehab or whatever its called.... you remind me of gary b. mousetoy, i like RP too, as long as he keeps his dummass in Tejas.
 

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There is nothing to suggest Paul would've energized the Republican base to go out and vote for him in even the numbers McCain received.

Paul lost the primaries largely because he wasn't a Republican and party voters could see it.

Exactly how would it have been better to listen to a guy who did not impress the voting block he needed to win?
 

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llama, just cold down here. made some killer deer suasage, wish you were closer, i'd share. took a boston butt, ground it and some venison, added sausage seasoning, man...............:D
 

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Paul lost the primaries largely because he wasn't a Republican and party voters could see it.
You're right.....Being a Republican these days means ANTI-CONSERVATISM....Ron Paul is a Conservative, not a Republican
 

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ghost, i really don't think that's true. i still say i'm conservative, you say you are, yet we are widely different. same with many republicans and democrats.... the waters have become muddied. too many labels, and who is appointed to call what what. a conservative may not be just like you.
 

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He's a libertarian posing as a Republican. There is a difference.

Is there some other way to explain his poor showing in the primaries?


Actually, there are other ways...but I'm coming home today. It is 0630 in the morning in Kuwait and I'm going through customs inspection and briefings today. Should be back in Texas by Thursday afternoon.
 
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