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I need an m41b expert please!!!

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Hello, I need to speak with an m41b guru. I recently acquired one and have some urgent questions and concerns. at first I was pleased with it, but upon closer inspection I am beginning to question my initial judgement. I would post some photo's but I can't figure out how to do so.I have lots and lots of high quality photo's and will be happy to email them to anyone who knows about m41's. my email address is [email protected] if someone could please help I would be very greatful! Thanks for your time and consideration.


Merry Christmas!

John from Texas
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Thanks Cap, so the scrubbed serial on the base was more than likely done at the arsenal? if thats the case then i'll probably keep it. I put a boresight on it and it was way off, so i zero'ed that in so it should be alright. also all of the numbers that matter match, so i guess i'm in good shape. like i said i was really just worried about the "overstamping".


Here are a few more photo's i'll take an overview later for ya.


Oh yeah Merry Christmas!!!!

http://curioandrelicfirearmsforum.yuku.com/forum/viewtopic/id/12436
The red in the disc recess in your stock is interesting. Barrels that were found to be not servicable had the disc removed and the recess filled with red wax, or paint. The rifle was then removed from service and either sold off or rebarreled. I don't think I have ever heard of a Swede sniper with the red wax. How is the bore in this rifle? Is the stock serial# matching?
the brass disc was present, but i removed it to take that photo.

The bore looks great, nice and shiny after i cleaned it, looks crisp and deep. the weird thing is the stock and buttplate match, but they dont match the bolt barrel or anything else. The whole bolt, bbl, scope mount, scope can and reciever match, but everything else is a mismatch. initially it shot well, but i didnt have the know how to adjust anything when i shot it. I found the link that Mr. hull posted last night and it was extremely helpful, as i used it and a boresight tool to zero it in...... it was WAY!!! off. but i think that now it will be a whole different story.

I did have an issue though, it seemed with the iron sights it was pretty good, except it was shooting a few inches right at 100 yds, doesanyone know if there is a way to adjust the front sight to compensate for this?
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You can drift the sight blade to the left, gently. That should do it. You can get one of those sight moving tools pretty cheaply. I believe Samco has them, as well as the higher .350" front blade most need to sight them in to POA at 100 yards.
thanks

thanks for the info mike.


here are some overall shots...
Replacement stock

Many of the Swedish snipers have had their stocks replaced. Both of mine are replacements. Many of the snipers have the new Beech stocks like mine, some are stamped matching, many are not. Most times the metal, bands, buttplates, are from the replacement stock and not the parts from the original rifle. This was done by the Swedes. Again, the Swedes did not bother to keep all the non essential parts matching in the last years of the M41b program. Samco bought all of the Swedish inventory of snipers, and spares. They have rifles for sale without scopes. That they used their inventory of spare parts to ready some of the rifles that were missing scopes/rings I would say , probably. Doesn't really matter, anyway, to me, as the scope numbers are not matching or recorded on the rifles. To say that Samco built M41bs out of standard M96 rifles is nothing but rumormongering and conjecture. It would be nigh on to impossible to do this. The M41bs have metal that is coated with "Dulite" Black, not blue, as is on the M96 rifles. It is easy to spot the difference. When Samco first started selling these snipers they picked out the all matching ones and sold them, then got down to the nonmatching ones, and more worn ones. Many of us in recent years have received as new snipers, with replacement non matching stocks and metal. These often have inventory tags from late 1980 and 1990s They are some magnificent, unfired since refurb snipers. Samco has been shipping out rifles such as these as recent as a year ago. I dont know what they have left yet, But beleive that as soon as they run out, the prices on these magnificent Swedish M41b snipers will start to climb rapidly. I think your rifle, John, is a very interesting peice. It has lots of history to it. And once you get it dialed in, I have no doubt it will be very accurate. Good luck, Duane
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You can drift the sight blade to the left, gently. That should do it.
Er - maybe I've got it backwards, but wouldn't drifting the front sight blade to the left cause the point of impact to shift further to the right?
zeroed!

sweet! i'm happy now! I read and studied and adjusted and tweaked and well here's a penny at 200 yards. I need to find a longer range because at 200 yards I can literally put 5 shots through the same hole!!! this is the most accurate rifle i have ever fired! it was amazing! you should have seen the faces of some of the other shooters at the range today the could'nt believe what they were seeing. I really put 5 through the same hole, and only reamed it out a bit, so they thought i was shooting 1 shot then missing with the other 4, so i staggered 5 from left to right and made one long hole! it was absolutely amazing! this is one tack driving rifle! I want another!


Thanks to everyone who commented and helped with the zero process and the decission that i had to make.... it's definately a keeper!
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Naw, you need to send that thing back!

I feel sorry for all the guys that have not gotten one of these M41bs, thinking that Samco is all out of good ones..... Looks like you got yourself one hell of a shooter, John, Congratulations!!!! PS, that penny is too cool!:cool:
Er - maybe I've got it backwards, but wouldn't drifting the front sight blade to the left cause the point of impact to shift further to the right?

You're right. I confused myself on the move right to hit left, etc. He's already too far right, so a little right to hit left would be the way to go.
I hate iron sights, especially when you have to adjust the front one.;)
sweet! i'm happy now! I read and studied and adjusted and tweaked and well here's a penny at 200 yards. I need to find a longer range because at 200 yards I can literally put 5 shots through the same hole!!! this is the most accurate rifle i have ever fired! it was amazing! you should have seen the faces of some of the other shooters at the range today the could'nt believe what they were seeing. I really put 5 through the same hole, and only reamed it out a bit, so they thought i was shooting 1 shot then missing with the other 4, so i staggered 5 from left to right and made one long hole! it was absolutely amazing! this is one tack driving rifle! I want another!


Thanks to everyone who commented and helped with the zero process and the decission that i had to make.... it's definately a keeper!
WOW!...Very nice. I have only fired mine 1 time, i had 4 rounds go into 4 tenths of an inch and i thought THAT was good!
Amazing shooting, congrats on a great rifle!
usrifle
What is with this changing the rifle to shoot at 100 yards?? I have never understood this line of thought.

I was trained in my wasted youth to zero at a mid range then learn the hold off's.

300 yard zero.
@400 aim at the head
@300 aim center mass
@200 aim for the knees
@100 center mass again using your known aim points.
Past 450 call in air support.

With my M96 I know to aim a bit low at 100 with the original front sight. This picture is from some powder testing with the Privi 140g bullet from Graf.


I know a man who shoots the M41b at 900 meters. He mentioned a 15' high hold off and 6' right he cut center X 10 or 11 times in one string.

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..MJ..
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MJ is right!

MJ you are absolutely correct in my opinion. I really wanted to zero mine at 300 meters, like its supposed to be. only problem is that i only have access to a 100 yard range and a 200 yard range. so that kinda limits me.
MJ you are absolutely correct in my opinion. I really wanted to zero mine at 300 meters, like its supposed to be. only problem is that i only have access to a 100 yard range and a 200 yard range. so that kinda limits me.

That was a big thing during the Vietnam war, and shortly after. Most shooters now use POA, POI. They have those big exposed turrets up top to use, not for decoration and they have a lot of elevation. It's far quicker to dial a target once the range is known than fumble around in a sticky situation trying to remember where to hold. It's just way easier that way. Hold dead on target with your elevation set. The scopes have zero stops so you can just crank them down to zero and then dial in the correct MOA on the elevation turret. It's very fast for a practiced shooter. Faster than the bad guy can run.:eek:;)
If I had a limited elevation scope with hard to use turrets, I'd zero for 100 yards/meters and hold over/under as the shot demanded.
I recently acquired one and have some urgent questions and concerns. at first I was pleased with it, but upon closer inspection I am beginning to question my initial judgement.
Check the various entries and photo montages in the Sweden - Milsurp Knowledge Library (click here)http://www.milsurps.com/forumdisplay.php?f=19

You'll find an entry complete with a 142 picture photo montage for:

1908 Swedish m/41B Sniper Rifle (click here)
c/w Ajack 4x90 1942b Scope
(Mfg by Carl Gustafs Stads Gevarsfaktori)


(Click PIC to Enlarge)

All of the markings and font questions you may have, as to what to look for, should be self evident from the photo montage.

Hope this helps ... :)

Regards,
Badger

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Photo Montage

Badger, that is a beautiful job of photographing a beautiful, all matching rfle.
sweet! i'm happy now! I read and studied and adjusted and tweaked and well here's a penny at 200 yards. I need to find a longer range because at 200 yards I can literally put 5 shots through the same hole!!! this is the most accurate rifle i have ever fired! it was amazing! you should have seen the faces of some of the other shooters at the range today the could'nt believe what they were seeing. I really put 5 through the same hole, and only reamed it out a bit, so they thought i was shooting 1 shot then missing with the other 4, so i staggered 5 from left to right and made one long hole! it was absolutely amazing! this is one tack driving rifle! I want another!


Thanks to everyone who commented and helped with the zero process and the decission that i had to make.... it's definately a keeper!
That's a hoot! Now go and shoot in some competitions and blow the socks off some of those plastic and stainless, whoop-de-do, more-rails than a roundhouse, Walter Mitty, bipod-festooned wannabee sniper rifles...

M41B: $1195...the competition's faces: priceless! :LOL:
Badger, that is a beautiful job of photographing a beautiful, all matching rfle.
Thanks... appreciate the feedback. I've since got a new camera which has improved the macro photography of a lot of our Knowlege Library entries. It's amazing how far these small digital cameras have come in so few years.

As far as shooting the M41b, I've had the old girl in the photo montage to the range. She was knocking down 12" steel plates consistently out to 400 meters.

WWII Milsurp Sniper Rifles at 400 Meters (Range Video) ... click here http://www.milsurps.com/showthread.php?t=839

This is some fun video, which shows ~Angel~, Scott and Badger, shooting various sniper rifles from their personal collections.

Engaging 12" Steel Plates and 4 Foot Targets at 400 Meters.

1945 British Enfield No.4(T) .303
1942 Russian 91/30 Mosin-Nagant 7.62x54r
1908 Swedish m/41b 6.5mm

Turn up the volume so you can hear the sound of those plates dropping !!! Notice the sound delay between the time you see the plate fall, until you hear the metal PING sound return back up range to the shooter's position.

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Welcome, Johnsgonewild...

.. to the brotherhood of M41B owners and shooters. I see you have experienced the exhilaration of these first few shots out of the "King of Snipers". :)

I remember that feeling well, even if I did not do as well as you...four of my ten shots were way off the 1" bullseye at 100 yards.:(
sweet!

.. to the brotherhood of M41B owners and shooters. I see you have experienced the exhilaration of these first few shots out of the "King of Snipers". :)

I remember that feeling well, even if I did not do as well as you...four of my ten shots were way off the 1" bullseye at 100 yards.:(

well don't feel bad then, because out of my first 10 shots maybe 5 of them hit the paper! my rifle was zero'd at 300 meters I think, and it took about 20 rounds before I had it dialed in at 200 yards another 5 rounds to tweak it at then I was Tack drivin at 200!
the best part was, I frequent that range, and there are lots and lots of idiot regulars out there that day, you know the type, they have one of everything, and if they don't have it, it's because it's not worth having, yada yadda yadda.......Well, one had a Remington 700, said it was the best sharpshooter/Sniper ever made:confused:!!! Ha Ha Ha..... he was ecstatic and boasting about his 1 1/2 groups.....But I could tell that it got under his skin that a 29 year old "kid" with a rifle over a hundred years older than his and optics nearly 60 years older than his, could do what it could do. That guy is usually a real loud mouth,
well he was kinda quiet that day!:D:D:D
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well don't feel bad then, because out of my first 10 shots maybe 5 of them hit the paper! my rifle was zero'd at 300 meters I think, and it took about 20 rounds before I had it dialed in at 200 yards another 5 rounds to tweak it at then I was Tack drivin at 200!
the best part was, I frequent that range, and there are lots and lots of idiot regulars out there that day, you know the type, they have one of everything, and if they don't have it, it's because it's not worth having, yada yadda yadda.......Well, one had a Remington 700, said it was the best sharpshooter/Sniper ever made:confused:!!! Ha Ha Ha..... he was ecstatic and boasting about his 1 1/2 groups.....But I could tell that it got under his skin that a 29 year old "kid" with a rifle over a hundred years older than his and optics nearly 60 years older than his, could do what it could do. That guy is usually a real loud mouth,
well he was kinda quiet that day!:D:D:D
Hehehe....Now THAT was priceless!
Here's mine, and the one time i fired it you can see me "chasing" the zero at a 100 yards. It didn't help this was a day before major shoulder surgery! Even the light recoiling 6.5 HURT every time i "squeezed" the trigger.
I was adjusting the scope, and swapping ammo. Top left target was the last "group" i fired.
4 rounds into 4 tenths! I was a happy camper.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v632/usrifle/M41b/P1010003_edited.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v632/usrifle/M41b/P1010004_edited.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v632/usrifle/M41b/P1010004_edited-1.jpg
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