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To the editors of the entire US mainstream news media - Take a deep breath and relax.

The examples of hysteria and just plain silliness Hanson comments on aren't the worst. I started to look up some examples of equal stupidity but decided it was easier to advise you to just look on the front page and editorial pages of any newspaper.


Sunday, November 30, 2008
HANSON: Baby boomers' hysterical style
Victor Davis Hanson
COMMENTARY:

Politicians now predict the implosion of the U.S. auto industry. Headlines warn the entire banking system is on the verge of utter collapse. The all-day/all-night cable news shows and op-ed columnists talk of another Dark Age on the horizon, as each day another corporation lines up for its me-too bailout.

News magazines depict President-elect Obama as the new Franklin Delano Roosevelt, facing a crisis akin to the Great Depression. Columnists for the New York Times even dreamed that George Bush might just resign now to allow the savior Barack Obama a two-month head start on his presidency.

We are witnessing a new hysterical style, in which the Baby Boomer "me generation" that now runs America jettisons knowledge of the past and daily proclaims each new development requires both a radical solution and another bogeyman to blame for being mean or unfair to them.

We haven't seen such frenzy since the Y2K sham, when we were warned to stock up on flashlights and bottled water as our nation's computers would simply shut down on Jan. 1, 2000 - and with them the country itself.

Get a grip. Much of our current panic is psychological and hyped by instantaneous electronic communications and second-by-second 24-hour news blasts. There has not been a nationwide plague that felled our workers. No earthquake has destroyed American infrastructure. The material United States before the September 2008 financial panic is largely the same as the one after. Once we tighten our belts and pay off the debts run up by Wall Street speculators and millions of borrowers who walked away from what they owed others - and we can do this in a $13 trillion annual economy - sanity will return.

Gas, now below $2 a gallon, is still falling, saving Americans hundreds of billions of dollars. As housing prices settle, millions of young Americans will buy homes that just recently were said to be out of reach of a new generation.

If it was once considered a sign of economic robustness that homes doubled in value in just a few years, why is it seen as a disaster that they now sell on the way down for what they did recently on the way up? If we were recently terrified that gas would reach $5 a gallon, why do we now just shrug that it might fall to $1.50?

Unemployment is still below 7 percent; it was around 25 percent when Franklin Roosevelt became president. Fewer than 20 banks have failed, not the 4,000 that went under in the first part of 1933.

We all wish Barack Obama to succeed as president. But there is no more reason to panic and circumvent the Constitution for his early assumption of office than there was for Bill Clinton to prematurely step aside in November 2000 in favor of then President-elect George W. Bush.

We have now forgotten that by year-end 2000, the American economy was sliding into recession. Lame-duck President Clinton had been impeached. Vice President Al Gore had ostracized him from his presidential election campaign. In the presidential transition, Mr. Clinton was considering pardons for Puerto Rican terrorists and most-wanted fugitive Mark Rich.

George Bush is neither the source of all our ills nor the "worst" president in our history. He will leave office with about the same dismal approval rating as the once-despised Harry Truman. By 1953, the country loathed the departing Truman as much as they were ecstatic about newly elected national hero Dwight Eisenhower - who had previously never been elected to anything.

As for Mr. Bush's legacy, it will be left to future historians to weigh his responsibility for keeping us safe from another Sept. 11, 2001-like attack for seven years, the now increasingly likely victory in Iraq, AIDS relief abroad, new expansions for Medicare and federal support for schools versus the mishandling of Hurricane Katrina, the error-plagued 2004-07 occupation of Iraq, and out-of-control federal spending.

As in the case of the once-unpopular Ulysses S. Grant, Calvin Coolidge and Harry Truman, Mr. Bush's supposedly "worst" presidency could one day not look so bad in comparison with the various administrations that followed.

But these days even that modest assessment that things aren't that bad - or all that different from the past - may well elicit a hysterical reaction from an increasingly hysterical generation.

Victor Davis Hanson is a nationally syndicated columnist, a senior fellow at the Hoover Institution and a recipient of the 2007 National Humanities Medal.
 

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Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Hussein Obama's degree in law and not business?

Aren't the people he's appointing people who don't have a record of fixing the economy before?

Seems like the .com boom and bust of the 1990's when everyone was going to be a millionaire on the internet without actually having to buy product to sell was the big "pyramid."
 

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Very well said. My mother, a baby boomer, actually apologized to me for the conduct of her contemporaries over the years. She's embarrassed by them. If one really sits back and thinks about it, that generation has been a mess socially, politically, militarily. This becomes more apparent when one compares them to their parents, my grandparents, who survived the Great Depression, fought WW2, and built this country into a superpower.
 

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The thing about all this that still leaves me with misgivings is the point that people these days are so self absorbed and irrational. The qualities that got us through previous crisis are lacking in today's Americans. Some belt tightening in a 13 trillion dollar economy - well, sure, if people still have some character. Otherwise, there will be demands for the government to "create" millions of new jobs and greatly expand the welfare state - paid for with yet more borrowing and "tax the rich" policies that amount to societal cannnibalization. Countries that go down that path end up mired in recession for decades and often don't recover until some "strong man" seizes power and puts all the communists/socialists up against the wall.
The qualities in today's people that the author sites as the reason for an overly pessimistic assessment of the current situation are the same qualities that may make it much harder to turn things around now than in the past.
 

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Petrov;

An invester associate of mine told me that this crisis is alot worse than previous ones because today's middle class has not only no experience in major crisis, but also has no savings to handle a major crisis. The next time you go to the grocery store, watch how people shop and pay for things. No "weekly meal planning" and it is alway paid for on plastic. Also watch what they buy. Nothing in bulk and alway the more expensive prepackaged meals. Yesterday I screamed at another buddy of mine who buys "toaster ready pancakes" for his family. How hard is it to make pancakes!!!!!!

So, your fears on the irrational folks is justified.
 

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How hard is it to make pancakes!!!!!!
You've never seemn my daughter try to make pancakes. I figure the cleaning products, time, and permanent damage makes the toaster ready ones look cheap by comparison.
 

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You've never seemn my daughter try to make pancakes. I figure the cleaning products, time, and permanent damage makes the toaster ready ones look cheap by comparison.
Ahhhh, the joys of daughters. I've learned to pick my battles very wisely also. Yes, the toaster can be a father's best friend, plus it will provide sanity. A great weapon in your breakfast arsonal. But remember, our daughters will be raising their own families soon. Teach the young grasshopper, the art of ladle, bowl, and skillet. It is amazing what they pick up, even when they don't appear to be watching. I'm sure I'm preaching to the choir, sorry.

As a side note on Irrational Behavior in a time of crisis. Has anyone else noticed the lack of manhood in today's men and husbands? Is it just me or is there more guts in today's women?
 

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Petrov;

An invester associate of mine told me that this crisis is alot worse than previous ones because today's middle class has not only no experience in major crisis, but also has no savings to handle a major crisis. The next time you go to the grocery store, watch how people shop and pay for things. No "weekly meal planning" and it is alway paid for on plastic. Also watch what they buy. Nothing in bulk and alway the more expensive prepackaged meals. Yesterday I screamed at another buddy of mine who buys "toaster ready pancakes" for his family. How hard is it to make pancakes!!!!!!

So, your fears on the irrational folks is justified.
John,
Some of the "plastic" may just be check cards.
My check card is issued by VISA, and is even entered in as a credit card.
My dad saw me use it, and asked me if I was doing okay financially. :)

But you're right, it's scary to see how many people are putting groceris and utiloities on credit cards that are true "credit" cards.
 

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daughters and plastic pancakes

I purchase everything I buy on my Visa, pay it off at the end of the month. I'm going fishing in Belize this spring and doing all on points on the visa.
Daughters, whew, I have one and I would raise 100 sons before I would take on 1 more.
 

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Plastic only works if you pay it off to zero every month. Otherwise you are paying through the nose for the convenience.
 

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Alot of this "plastic" is also debit/check cards that were attached to home equity lines of credit. That's why on previous boards I would state that folks were eating their equity. Most Americans are not ready to submit to a crisis, thus many resturants still packed on weekends and I have yet to hear about a crisis in bars and casinos.
 

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Ahhhh, the joys of daughters. I've learned to pick my battles very wisely also. Yes, the toaster can be a father's best friend, plus it will provide sanity. A great weapon in your breakfast arsonal. But remember, our daughters will be raising their own families soon. Teach the young grasshopper, the art of ladle, bowl, and skillet. It is amazing what they pick up, even when they don't appear to be watching. I'm sure I'm preaching to the choir, sorry.

As a side note on Irrational Behavior in a time of crisis. Has anyone else noticed the lack of manhood in today's men and husbands? Is it just me or is there more guts in today's women?
We got lucky with haflinger , She is gonna make some guy a good wifey some day . Talk about bacon wrapped grilled shrimp ....................

Yes , men today are very ifeminate<sp> ! Even becoming more "slight of build" . Nearly every male I graduated HS with was my size or bigger . I was 6'1 , 200 lb. corn fed country beef at graduation . And I was considered small . haflingers HS class , the biggest male was 5'10 , 150 lb. & very feminine . Macho is being bred out of American male's . IMO of course.
 

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BBQ:

What scares me most is not so much their size (we're Italian-5'10" is a giant to us) but their lack of guts. Whether it is to take a chance on success or take care of their family. No guts, no glory.

I agree with you on masculinity. I live by a jogging trail- I've never seen so many men that work out so much and are still built like sticks.
 

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built like sticks

It's the ToFu. On the other hand there are guys like Bruce Lee ...uh...was.
 

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the lilting of the american male is in full swing. hollywood drives it. think of all of the movies and tv shows with beautiful young women kicking the shite out of some guy. so unrealistic, but it has become the norm. if a women degrades a man in any way it is funny. the women is viewed as independant and powerful. if a man does the same it is considered abuse.

men are shaving their armpits and chest hair, coloring their hair and trying to look younger and softer. they get their muscles from lifting weights, not working hard and you can see the difference between a man with large, smooth muscles or one with leaner, harder muscles. they spray on self tanning products and get their nails done.
 

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Nothing new, of course the sky is not falling. But they need to report on SOMETHING for 24 hours a day.
 
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